#104 MamaYuyu (Ft. Official Series Translator David Evelyn)

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[00:00:29] Welcome to this episode of Shonen Flop where we talk about manga and shonen jump that didn't make it big. I'm David. I'm Jordan. This week we're talking about Mama Yu-Yu. Mama Yu-Yu. We are joined by the wonderful David Evelyn aka Cool David. Woo!

[00:00:42] I want to say thank you so much for joining us today. Do you mind telling the audience a little bit about yourself? Thank you very much. I'm David Evelyn. I'm a Japanese to English translator and I work on such manga currently being serialized

[00:00:53] as Undead Unlocked, Kaiju No. 8, Goku Raku Gai, Shoujo No, Kaiju No. 8 B-Side, and Kyokuto no Necromancy. There you go. And I do work for Viz Media and a lot of other publishers as a freelancer. Thank you for having me on.

[00:01:08] I have to say I think you are the second official translator we've had on. I think the third person who actually works for Viz so it's always such a pleasure to have someone who's actually talking about the series they worked on.

[00:01:17] I believe by the way this is the second person in two weeks that we have who's currently working on Kaiju No. 8. Oh that's true. Brandon Bovia. Yes, Brandon was absolutely a fantastic guest. So actually we've had four people because we've had you, Steven Paul, and Godswell on.

[00:01:31] Oh, Godswell. Yeah, Godswell's super awesome dude. I actually found out I was in the same fraternity as him in college which is crazy. Oh that's crazy. He like popped up on LinkedIn and I was like wait a second.

[00:01:41] So I wish I had known that when we were recording. But yeah, super awesome guy as well. So I do want to ask Shonen Flop's current favorite translation of all time is I don't know if you've heard about this. Are you familiar with Service Wars?

[00:01:53] And as soon as I say Service Wars, Jordan instantly knows what translation I'm talking about. Service Wars. Yeah. So Service Wars was by the guy who made Matama Security. Okay, yeah.

[00:02:02] So what happened was there's a grizzly bear that kind of gets like a glow up and in the original Japanese they just call it a handsome bear. Guess what they translated as in the official release. I think I know this one.

[00:02:13] God, it's the Riz Bear right or something? Yes, the Riz Bear. Incredible. In-credible. So I want to bring that up because I want to know what is your personal Riz Bear of your translation work where you are just like I've done it fucking they're going to remember

[00:02:26] me for this. So what is your proudest translation moment? I don't know if you remember I Tell Sea. I love I Tell Sea. We covered that on the show. I'm the resident I Tell Sea fan here. Okay.

[00:02:37] For I Tell Sea, Hakuba no Hannin which is I translate it's basically like a pun on Hakuba no Kishi which is knight on a white horse which is like a knight in shining armor. I turned that into blight and shining armor. Oh, that's really good. Nice.

[00:02:55] That was probably like one of my favorite ones. Also there was like a pun about like the kanji said interrogate but the furi on the side said date so I turned it into interrogate.

[00:03:06] As soon as you said the word interrogate I was like oh I remember the interrogate. That was really really good. So those are like two that I remember off the top. Also all of the last chapter I did that on like the fly.

[00:03:16] I didn't realize the gimmick of like every single thing that he was saying. The first word of everything he was saying was like part of the Japanese syllabary until like the very very end when it got to wombat. Oh no.

[00:03:27] It was like four o'clock in the morning so I had to like redo everything from the start. I'm so sorry to hear that. So those three examples are like probably my proudest shining achievements. This is making me want to reread I Tell Sea. I do too. Yeah.

[00:03:38] Why don't we actually hear about this series Mama Yuu Yuu. So Jordan why don't you tell us a bit about the manga details. So this is Mama Yuu Yuu by Yoshihiko Hayashi. This is apparently his debut serialization however he had four one shots prior to Mama

[00:03:52] Yuu Yuu which Cool David will now tell us about. Well the first one is a lovely runner's high which was in 2021 and Jump Giga the seasonal magazine Octo Kill 2021 that won the Tezuka Manga Award honorable mention which is basically like the runner up. That's pretty fucking big.

[00:04:12] Honorable mentions even in the Tezuka Award are very prestigious. He also did right after that Henoheno Moheji and Stick Figure and Panty with Garter Belt with Garter Belt 2022 which was in Shonen Jump Plus. It's still on Shonen Jump Plus you can still read that.

[00:04:27] Can you tell us a little bit about that manga though. Yeah so that manga is about a boy who has a condition that turns him into a stick figure and the doctor tells him that there's a stimulus but he doesn't know what it is so he has to

[00:04:40] figure it out and he figures out that the stimulus is the girl he likes. He saw her change in the classroom and he got stimulated so he's like oh it must be that so he's like please show me your panties and it turns him into a real boy.

[00:04:54] And that's the Brooke origin story. I was gonna say it was see her change in the panties sense not the deftone sense. Oh yeah no not in the... I watched you change. And what was the last one that he does?

[00:05:08] And Ei ni Kaita Mochi wo Kaita Mochi which is 2022 in Weekly Shonen Jump. That is Golden Future Entrant. He didn't win it but he was in the running. Good for him not winning that. That is a curse apparently.

[00:05:24] Yeah that series also the main girl actually kind of resembles Minerva if you like sweat hard enough but yeah he just he kind of likes a certain character design and will keep it like big volumous hair and stuff like that so.

[00:05:37] I mean first of all in Mama Yu Yu he has two girls with the same character design. With that character design that's a thing. You can already tell that he's gonna in his next series is gonna be like the guy who made

[00:05:48] my hero Academia where he just recycled the designs he liked. Yeah pretty much. Oh yeah I loved reading Omega Donkey Zoo and it was like wait that's gang orko what the fuck is he doing here? The gang orko does have a banger design so I can't blame him.

[00:06:03] Look I get it it's like what? I'm gonna just have this design wasted on this cancelled manga? No fuck that. I don't blame him. And speaking of cancelled manga Jordan can you tell us how this series ran? Alright so this ran from September 11th never forget 2023.

[00:06:19] Jordan says this every fucking time on manga. Because I never forget David. Yeah it got cancelled April 8th never forget 2024. Series it replaced was Fabricant 100. That was our 87th episode. That was a series that we liked. The series that replaced this is Astro Royale.

[00:06:39] Are you familiar with Astro Royale? Ken Wakui is the Tokyo Revengers guy. For the record I'm asking you how it is because we can't really read new manga until it passes certain amount because they might it might be a candidate for the show.

[00:06:53] So we don't know if Astro Royale got cancelled or not. It's still running it's actually funny because I knew about it like two weeks in advance because when I did the chapter for Mama Yu Yu the last chapter they were promoting Astro

[00:07:05] Royale in the marketing text on the last page. It was just like and then the next series is going to be Ken Wakui's you know whatever whatever the Japanese title was I forgot. I think it's something 9090 Astro or something like that so. Interesting.

[00:07:18] That reminds me real quick can you shed some light on like how soon you were aware that this manga was getting cancelled? I knew this was getting cancelled maybe like a month or like four three weeks before the last chapter but the letterer didn't know. Oh God.

[00:07:33] So he's like lettering the like the end and he's like wait what? Yeah and he was a really big fan his name is Finn. I was like did my editor tell him and I could tell because he was promoting it on his Twitter

[00:07:45] very vehemently and I was like oh I don't have the heart to tell him. I can't tell him now now that he's already so deep in the thicket so he got to the last chapter and it was just like oh what the hell. Oh poor guy.

[00:07:59] It was so funny because like I was talking to David about a series and we'd realized we covered everything else. I was like well I guess if Mama YuYu and you're just like huh hmm that's an idea and then

[00:08:08] like three weeks later like okay yeah now I can officially tell you it's been cancelled so yeah I can go cover that but you knew what I was like maybe if it gets cancelled you're like yeah I just can't say anything about this right now.

[00:08:17] Yeah I was just like uh okay yeah. Yeah that's an idea. Yeah sure. And you were like yeah if it gets cancelled lol and I'm like oh. I will say a series that started at the same time as it of course The Goat.

[00:08:30] The greatest manga of all time. Kagura Bachi. Influential. Mind-blowingly good manga. Oda owes his whole career to this manga. It's the one piece of Shonen Jump. For those who don't know that is a meme about Kagura Bachi.

[00:08:46] I'm not entirely sure why I think it's because when it got announced it just looked so generic and Shonen Jump was like pushing it oddly hard. So far it has a little more than two volumes. Might be a hit.

[00:08:57] And listen we will absolutely do like a first impression once it breaks the 35 chapter mark we will absolutely do some piece of content on it. Because it's not getting cancelled I mean it's fucking it's the Morbius of Shonen Jump. Morbius wasn't successful.

[00:09:10] Yeah it's like the Morbius of Shonen Jump if it actually did what they wanted to like with the memes. No that's very fair. And then what was the other series that ran with it Jordan? Two on Ice. Yes. By Elk Itsumo.

[00:09:23] It went for four volumes and was a flop so you may be hearing about it soon listener. We're not talking about that today we're talking about Mama Yu Yu. It ran for 29 chapters in four volumes although volumes three and four are not out until August

[00:09:37] at least in Japan. Yeah and they might have an ending in it. Oh shit. Because these chapters didn't but why don't we find out about that in the plot summary. This series was very difficult to write a plot summary for.

[00:09:49] The last time it was this difficult was Nano Hazard. Are you familiar with Nano Hazard? I do remember Nano Hazard yeah. The thing is if a series has a long plot summary that is a pain in the ass to write it usually

[00:10:01] means that things happened in that manga that matter to the plot unlike a lot of the series we cover. It's actually a good thing even though it was a huge pain in the ass. Yes. If we go for it David.

[00:10:13] A long time ago by which I mean 20 years ago there was a big war between demons and humans which ended when the hero Holo Holo gave his life to unite the factions.

[00:10:22] In this world there is one hero and one demon king which are identified by a sigil on their hands the Demon King which is a gender neutral term. Mama Ma raised the hero Corleo like he was her own son.

[00:10:33] Corleo struggles to figure out what it means to be a hero in peacetime when a hero from another world Evan Allgreen arrives. By the way thank you so much because I would have called him Corleo the whole time. So I'm so glad oh it's Corleo. Corleo. Awesome.

[00:10:51] Thank you. I'm here to help. I worked on the series. That's what I'm saying. I know for a fact that you're right. I try. Let's see here. His war did not end peacefully but rather with his Demon King and a giant Lovecraftian

[00:11:05] monster destroying everything and is on their way here and Evan must destroy it although his existence in this world is tearing rifts in the space time continuum. Evan shows Corleo sigil sorcery a power that heroes and demon kings can do when he teleports

[00:11:19] them somewhere so they can spar. Then N shows up and Evan packs it into a little box before deciding to kill Corleo so he can be the only hero. However when N breaks out and goes to kill Evan Corleo jumps in the way and gets cut

[00:11:32] into various pieces. When Corleo comes to he sees Evan healing him giving his life force to bring him back. By giving him his life force Evan gives Corleo his sigil which is special because it's a

[00:11:43] mother sigil which is a sigil that activates at birth and his has a bunch of powers like levitation fire and slicing things up like a dang samurai chop chop. Corleo meets Alicia who's a cute hero with strong punches and falls in love with Corleo.

[00:11:56] They also meet Escaba a one eyed demon king who turns out to be an asshole working for the big bad. Not shocking in the slightest that character was actually evil. No not remotely. Thankfully though when he reveals himself the best character Minerva shows up. Popcorn Jordan.

[00:12:12] Minerva who as previously said is the best character in the series. She really is. She's the demon king idol from a world where idols are MMA fighters. It's fucking great. Wish that was the manga instead of this to be honest. Yeah yeah. But also still idols.

[00:12:28] Her ability is to make stars appear that throw off people's focus so like they can't cast sigil sorcery and she helps them fight Escaba but just when they have him on the ropes his boss Grisha appears and whisks everyone away to a pocket dimension.

[00:12:44] He takes off his hat to reveal a tiny little version of End. It's kind of this really gross but cool character design where like half his head is gone and then this little thing that looks like a fuck David I'm totally blanking. Is it Magu? Yes Maguchan.

[00:12:59] I love that guy. Yeah he looks like Maguchan just like hanging out. He's got little nubby tendrils. This is like little nubby tendrils hanging over the side of the top of this dude's fucking face. It's creepy as hell. I love it.

[00:13:13] Grisha wants to let Corleo's sigil grow stronger so he can feed it to End who will in turn give him the power to rule the world. Another hero character Ralphred shows up. Ralphred. God what a name. Fantastic name.

[00:13:29] Diding and dashing all over the place because in his world heroes eat for free which honestly that always bugs me about like Final Fantasy and RPGs like that where it's like you're the heroes of light. You're coming to save the whole world.

[00:13:42] I'm still going to charge you for these weapons that if you don't use properly I'm going to die. Yeah. I'm going to need this money when you save the world and if you don't it's not my problem anymore. Yeah. I run a weapon shot not make a wish.

[00:13:55] Yeah. Ralphred agrees with Corleo and Alicia that Grisha should be defeated but Ralphred is mostly interested in killing every demon lord he sees at any cost because you see his princess who looks almost identical to Alicia except she has black hair was murdered by her demon

[00:14:16] lord brother who oh my God happens to be a Scabba. He fights Minerva with his fire powers but after realizing she is an evil he eventually calms down and joins the good guys. However Grisha six various demon lords on the hero HQ to bring them down including Kup'tula

[00:14:34] who terrorized Alicia's world. Kup'tula has ice powers but thankfully Corleo just awakened his fire powers that lets them defeat her Grisha says he can revive the dead and Kup'tula wants him to bring her son back

[00:14:48] to life which is why she's doing this her son by the way his name's Eugene they defeat her and tie her up but Grisha manages to use end to eat her sigil Minerva then lets herself

[00:14:59] be captured in order to end the conflict and kisses Corleo on the mouth and probably with his tongue because she's nasty like that and is then taken popcorn David I'm so glad the main character in this is 18 because imagine because she is 20 so imagine if this isn't

[00:15:15] our like 16 year old protagonist he's 18 she's 20 Alicia's 24 series very adamant about letting you know everyone's ages for some reason I'm going to expose myself here that scene where they like she goes off into the portal with Grisha the sound effect is supposed to be

[00:15:31] is goo which is like it's supposed to be a hug and for some reason it got written as smooch so that wasn't supposed to be a kiss it's supposed to be a hug really yo where's

[00:15:40] my hug energy because uh the whole the whole thing was like uh she actually did kiss him or that but then afterwards it was like a um a hug oh I got you like a bigger hug yeah

[00:15:51] I'm gonna have to fix that in the uh the whenever it's a graphic novel for both readers of this series it seems like there's way more onomatopoeias in Japanese than English oh yeah like like

[00:16:04] there's an onomatopoeia for hug yeah I don't think there is one in English glomp I guess is also an adaption of a Japanese word Ralfrid's uh princess her name was Vida because her first name her name in Japanese is Udivita or something like that and Alisa's full name

[00:16:19] is uh Alisa Woolpool so yeah that's why it's Woolvita and Woolpool because they they're like similar they have a similar katakana I picked up on that yeah there's supposed to be a similarity between the two outside of just their uh appearances oh that's really

[00:16:33] cool it's like the one time where there's like an alternate universe analog to a character in the series yeah which was very interesting I thought they were going to expand on that

[00:16:42] but I guess not I guess not should I finish the plot summary yes the befriend Monika a little eight-year-old demon king with animal morphing powers who gets a crush on Corleo Corleo Alisa and Monika then go to an amusement park where they meet Sadako Monika's hero from

[00:16:56] a world where the demon kings are all sacrificed when they reach 10 years old Sadako is a girl in her 60s who looks 20 because manga and she can control ghosts she summons the spirits

[00:17:06] of two dead heroes to fight Corleo so he can train I love how the hero who can control ghosts just hangs out at this amusement park in the haunted house it's just like that this is where

[00:17:16] I belong this works for me very well yep not long after they get a call that Grisha's base has been discovered because the plot is wrapping up and they have to do that the team goes into

[00:17:25] attack breaking off to fight various bad guys as Corleo corners Grisha and saves Minerva who thankfully has returned to the series Corleo goes into his mind palace and meets Ho-Ho and reveals that he deleted the memory of sigil sorcery from everyone in this world so that they couldn't

[00:17:39] use it anymore he tells Corleo to make up a cool name for his sigil so he calls it loyal lionheart because he's fucking lame he goes inside and massive form to meet ends true body it turns

[00:17:50] out and is a little girl who was tortured to make her sigil stronger and wanted to see Evan again because he was the first person who was nice to her Oh Corleo realizes that he's been dead since

[00:17:59] chapter one and it's been brought back to the ends own resurrection powers meaning that when she dies he dies he gives and what's left of Evans powers in falls as she disappears Corleo wakes up

[00:18:09] in the hospital realizing something is wrong because he should be dead he goes and finds Grisha who is fused with what remains of ends powers everyone gathers together to defeat Grisha for good even though doing so will kill Corleo that is actually the end the offer just didn't

[00:18:23] make the last chapter of this manga I think that that's actually a really good place to end it so many people in the discord were pissed about that last chapter I think it's really good I think that

[00:18:33] that is actually a very good ending a very good place to end it cool David do you mind telling us about the main character Corleo I guess yeah he is a very he's like a adopted child he was

[00:18:44] like abandoned yeah and he was taken in by mama ma who is the demon lord of their world and he is the hero of their world but he isn't really recognized by many of the people because like

[00:18:56] the hero isn't their world is at peace so they have no real need for a hero and he does have a sigil but it doesn't do much of anything it just shows that he's a hero and later on he gains the

[00:19:07] ability to after he's killed and brought back to life by Evan he gains the ability to use a bunch of different sigil sorceries and he becomes a very righteous human being he goes from just a slacker

[00:19:19] to the almost stereotypical shonen protagonist kind of very stereotypical lawful good standard lawful good protagonist I would describe him as standard unfortunately yeah he's bog standard he doesn't really have any notable features and that was like a thing that the author was just

[00:19:37] like oh yeah I gave him that coat in the look this is a like inside baseball I guess but like I gave him that coat because uh yeah he doesn't really stand out otherwise just has a hoodie

[00:19:46] so like he's like on the cover of his debut issue of shonen jump and he has like a sword and a coat and stuff like it's like oh he looks kind of cool and then you just never see that I don't think he

[00:19:58] ever uses a sword no doesn't God yeah I don't really know what else to say about him Jordan want to tell us about Alicia Alicia Woolpool what a great name great is her name like supposed to be

[00:20:10] a pun on Whirlpool I don't know yeah yeah she's a hero she's 24 and huge breasts this is relevant they get bigger every chapter do that it seems like they do the thing that the author said was

[00:20:23] like oh I don't keep the hairstyle of Corleone consistent or the breast size of Alicia I think was reference was referencing a thing that happened with power girl are you aware of that

[00:20:35] cool David oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I know about that he made her breasts larger every issue until somebody noticed yeah no I like Alicia she's um you know she's very much like a fish out of water

[00:20:48] she doesn't really understand phones or electricity Corleo tries to get her to stop running across the street so he's like don't do it if you run while there's a red light you'll die you'll be cursed

[00:21:03] she brings it up later she's telling a demon Lord Monica from another place like yeah don't run across the street when there's a red light or you'll die I really do like how people from different

[00:21:14] technological level worlds like really bond with each other like how Minerva it's like yeah I know what electricity is we have CDs yeah yeah oh man also like Alicia her her whole thing is like she

[00:21:30] was running away with like her mom for years and years and then her mom died and she's kind of and her mom basically told her to like run and find somebody worth living for and she's like could

[00:21:41] Corleo be somebody worth living for yeah and this is actually a pretty big age difference between them yeah she's 24 he's 18 that's that's actually kind of questionably an age difference of a 24 year

[00:21:53] old and an 18 year old oh yeah now Minerva is definitely more his because she's 20 and as we talked about absolutely the best character I think incredible I would have read a manga just about

[00:22:02] her so for context she is a demon Lord but she is a diva first but in her world the divas along with singing and dancing also have to be able to MMA fight each other for dominance yes I don't know

[00:22:14] how the offer didn't say well that's a way better idea than this manga just make that David I don't know if you have any influence but honestly you should just send a note to show a shun say dude

[00:22:22] you got her yeah is it sure I should that one's shown a jump right yeah you should be like dog he's just gotta make that but that's like yeah she disappears and honestly I don't know why they were

[00:22:31] like let's take away the best character in the series that was not a smart move and I think she has a very actually it kind of feels like almost like a stand ability where she sends out stars

[00:22:39] and the stars distract you and it's really cool how she doesn't have any other combat abilities but she just essentially can always fight you at your weakest because you're constantly being distracted by her attacks she's also just canonically a good fighter oh yeah cuz she

[00:22:54] throws hands every week to remain dominant like she doesn't really need additional sigil sorcery cuz she's a fucking trained MMA fighter yeah she's a fucking cage fighter she actually feels like she came from a different world which is awesome I really like the way that it's laid out

[00:23:10] too because at the end of one page she's like like Corleone was like so what's an idol we don't really have them here and she's just like you know idols are we're basically these icons you

[00:23:20] know we we sing and we dance and and then there's a page turn and it's like and we fight each other in battles it's fucking great it's so good she has very chaotic energy or either you or someone

[00:23:35] compared her to power from Chainsaw Man I did yeah she has like power energy which means she has Eric Hartman energy as we all know power was based on Eric Hartman so good she's our goblin

[00:23:47] mode queen yes exactly yeah and then David do you mind describing Monica and I'm curious by the way what made you decide to spell Monica with a K instead of a C I'm accredited as the one of the

[00:23:59] artists on Doki Doki literature club because me and my friend Dan he asked me if I could do like art for his game I was like sure I got nothing else better to do because I'm unemployed and I

[00:24:08] did that and it's still in the game to this day I think from like what I know like in the newest installment but I you know I saw that name I saw Monica and I was like oh wow that's funny so

[00:24:19] instead of a C I spelled it with a K I feel like you must have been trying so hard to see if there was a way you could just translate a line to just Monica no who's in this room like ah it's just

[00:24:29] Monica just probably would have gotten fired but really couldn't have done that I know I can't I can't do anything like that this isn't the 90s you can't just make up fucking dialogue in manga

[00:24:43] anymore yeah well I didn't say make it up I just said that where there was room for that to be an interpretation for the translation that's why I met like it's an actual situation where a deck

[00:24:52] could squeak it out you know and just be like ha look at that no but she has animal powers she can turn into any beast and or bipedal creature I think and she can I think that's like her only

[00:25:05] power but like that's basically all she does yeah and she's a brat kind of held it translate because she speaks in the third person sometimes yes and it's like a big deal when she doesn't yeah funny

[00:25:16] about that that scene was actually highlighting I think she was like talking to Sadako and Sadako was just like oh you're not speaking in third person she's like huh but actually in the original

[00:25:26] it was because she doesn't use her ending Gobi her sentence ender which is no yo or nano yo but there was no way I could translate that and made it look presentable no I think you did an awesome

[00:25:36] job with the third person stuff yeah switched it to another quirk that she had and you know editorial was like okay that that makes understandable have a nice day exactly so she

[00:25:43] speaks in the third person she has an ending Gobi and she's like she was just kind of like oh god this character please please go away but I like her I like her I just did like oh please go away

[00:25:54] sake of my sanity it really lined up today picked you to talk about her now let's take it to end can you tell us about the big bad of this series oh my god so and first peers and ends like as I said

[00:26:09] in the plot story this giant lovecraftian beast with like all these crazy faces it actually looks dope as hell because it's like the main one is like this like angry face and then like you have

[00:26:21] a bunch of different like eyes all over it and there's like a couple moments or like it's like this really happy looking moe face like just stapled to the side like crazy shit like that

[00:26:33] all over it's it's fucking awesome and it turns out that she is from a world which is Evans world where the demon side basically like sacrifices demon king after demon king after demon king

[00:26:46] until they ended up with a demon king with a mother sigil that is her and they proceed to like try and torture her to get powers to get her powers to come out it's actually like there's like

[00:26:59] this brutal moment where like her guards are talking and one of them is saying you should break her arms and legs and then another guy is like but sir and then again it's another page turn

[00:27:11] and it turns and it's like isn't that too light that kind of confusing cuz I'm not the guard who is like I don't think we should torture her anyway yeah um I don't know what they were going to that

[00:27:21] they were like oh it's that isn't that too light and he's just like oh no but we need to do that in order to like I'm guessing because he does worse things to her like that breaking her arms and

[00:27:31] fingers are probably like the on the light side and then like disemboweling her is probably like yeah on the heavier side so that's probably why you know he was like trying to acclimate into more

[00:27:43] torture essentially and they also like it sounds like they torture her for 10 years cuz she finally gets her power just kills everyone after yep yeah she but in the meantime she escapes and finds Evan

[00:27:56] from you know earlier in the series you know you know I mean like first chapter you know and he's just kind of hanging out and she's like oh man hey what's up and he's actually nice to her and

[00:28:07] she's like oh man he's like the only guy that's ever been nice to me in my whole life she gets captured again and then when she finds out when somebody tells her that Evan died which was a

[00:28:15] little confusing I believe that was Grisha that told her that no because she kills the guy you tell was it no no the the guy who she kills is the guard that was saying oh isn't that too light sir

[00:28:26] and yeah cuts off his head yeah and then she practices kissing him and it's very strange yeah yeah she does this thing where she starts killing guys and then kissing them because she wanted to

[00:28:38] get some of the love that she never received yeah but if you remember in the beginning of the series Evan actually lists off a bunch of names and Grisha is among them so he knows Grisha

[00:28:48] yeah I don't know if you noticed that no I remember that now and yeah that did seem like it was Grisha I got a little confused just because of like the way that yeah so now that we've gotten

[00:28:57] the characters why don't we actually talk about talking about some issues we had with this series that well we've already started doing that but we're gonna really get into it so let's get into

[00:29:03] why it failed so cool Jordan what would you say stood out to you as an issue had with the series Corleo I have issues with Corleo yeah he feels like I'm just gonna say it I'm already still

[00:29:13] he feels like oh man how's this gonna get resolved oh it's Corleo Corleo with the steel chair all the time sigil with the steel sigil oh my god David one day one day you're gonna learn to pronounce

[00:29:24] that word anyway Corleo is constantly coming out to solve every issue and it's like ah he's just so strong and so good and you don't really get that from the first chapter you know it's kind of

[00:29:35] funny he feels like an isekai protagonist with a cheap power except he's the only one who's actually from this world that out of the main characters yeah well he does have the power of potentially

[00:29:45] a cheat character but it's like in the first chapter he seems kind of reluctant to be sort of a hero or just kind of getting into it not really sure what it means and then by like chapter

[00:29:56] two he's like nah I'm a hero man I'm a fucking hero I'm giving my goddamn life I'm risking everything all the time for everyone it just it was too much and it really did not help his

[00:30:11] character is very hard to get a grasp on it seems to change a lot and I think that really is the biggest flaw for me with this series I like so much about this series and he was he was my biggest

[00:30:22] problem yeah I agree I mean a big thing about this is the author very blatantly didn't know what he wanted to do with this series which you see with every character like he introduces so

[00:30:30] many characters and then he's like this is too many to balance let's get rid of them which he again gets rid of the characters we actually think are interesting like his mom like Minerva which

[00:30:38] it's like why are you downplaying the more interesting characters and it's like what was really the plot of this manga you know it was like this was not sustainable for a very long

[00:30:47] time because it just wasn't plots begin you know I agree there was a lot of what should we do now kind of syndrome where yeah once one thing ended it's like now what do we do okay now we're on a

[00:30:57] train and like where are we going oh we're gonna go to the HQ oh hey look it's a demon lord or whatever it's like it kind of lost the plot a little bit like once my mama's hand got eaten I

[00:31:08] was like now that story is gonna go into a different direction right yeah as you expected like oh okay she's gonna be like the titular demon lord that helps for Leo but then it's like oh now we flip

[00:31:19] the script right so but then after that it just sort of kind of like okay I mean Lisa's cool but like it's like everything else is like about this right you know so I understand where you're going

[00:31:29] for that it kind of felt like all the characters were reactive but the author kept putting them in situations where they just had to by chance have something to react to because no one really felt

[00:31:39] like that agency in this plot it's kind of like when you're playing D&D and the DM doesn't like wants to say oh the characters are in charge but then you didn't give the characters a scaffolding

[00:31:47] to actually make decisions so it's kind of like you're just kind of aimlessly wandering around until you encounter something right which reminds me like one of the biggest issues in this series

[00:31:56] is also just the way that it fails to build things up this is a common problem that we run into where like the example I have is where Chris is talking to his Scaba and he's like we're we gotta do an

[00:32:11] attack on the on the heroes HQ and it's got us like ah when we gonna do that and he's like about right now and then they just suddenly starts and it's like well hold on man why don't you let that

[00:32:22] tension build up a little bit you know have us be like man I wonder where they're gonna do that wait a couple chapters you know let us just have this kind of over the over our heads really man

[00:32:31] when are they gonna attack when I think in the tech and there's a few times that this happens we're like like we were talking about it in the chat pool David where you kind of pointed out this

[00:32:41] guy's very good at storytelling within a chapter but between chapters he really fails there's no greater example of that than chapter 1 chapter 1 was a very solid chapter 1 like that was a chapter 1 that a lot of people really liked and raised for just like the storytelling from beginning

[00:32:58] to end it was when we got past chapter 1 that's where sort of you know the you know narrative issues reared their ugly head I feel because we even said in the the chibi the preview episode

[00:33:10] where we were we were like where could you possibly go from this yeah it's like Earthchild yeah fucking Earthchild I will say this is way better but that's not hard that's not hard to do

[00:33:21] where it's like the first chapter it just feels very closed like it just feels like the story has been satisfied at the end of the first chapter it really is just kind of like where do we go from

[00:33:33] here what's next you know when you start off a manga killing off your main character you have a place to go when you end your chapter by killing off your main character it's sort of

[00:33:42] like now what because you've already brought him back now what he's already been revived you know what I mean so that kind of gives you a different kind of connotation like compare you you Hakusho

[00:33:51] to this I actually was thinking about you Hakusho because it's the same thing where he can like he has kind of a similar ability to the spirit gun I know his other abilities but the fact that there's

[00:34:00] like a hard number of times he can activate his ability made me think about how Yusuke can only shoot his gun a certain number of times per day there's a lot of influence from and also from I

[00:34:08] don't know if you guys read Koji Inada's Dino Daito book and the adventure of Dai oh no I thought you were about to say Chainsaw Man which definitely I want to say the art style by the way it's just

[00:34:20] someone wrong so definitely looks like he was inspired by Fujimoto sometimes I would say more Koji Inada for Adventure of Dai or beat the vandal buster I remember beat the vandal buster damn

[00:34:32] also I want to say like the whole demon Lord hero sigil thing just feels very ham fisted it was like ah fuck oh what is it was all right so there's like a good guy and a bad guy and they

[00:34:43] have like marks on their hands how about that but the bad guys know is the bad guy bad guys not always a bad guy except only heroes are always good and then it's the deep and it's only the

[00:34:52] demons that are sometimes not always evil one last thing I just want to talk about is also how this has like three different training arcs and it's just like come on do fuck off with that

[00:35:01] right yeah just like come on but anyway let's get into the positives so cool David can you lay it down with us what are some things you enjoyed about the series I think it was a negative in

[00:35:12] the beginning but the paneling I really liked the paneling I like the way that the sound effects were laid out I really like the artist vision of like what he wanted to do with the series which

[00:35:22] was kind of be a medium specific kind of story where like you could not tell this story in animation or in text it has to be in sequential art yeah I love the paneling in this series so

[00:35:36] much yeah it's so cool especially when he talks to like that hero guy who like deleted what sit hey fucking sigil is a single sigils right yeah no no sigil was right who deletes sigil and it's

[00:35:46] part of the text box or top part of the frame just always covers himself in this really cool way oh holo yeah yeah yeah yeah that part was like when that was like Pete let me use everything that I

[00:35:57] can so I'm gonna use the gutters I'm gonna use like part of the the panel to cover him up the speech balloons are gonna cover him up too like that that was really cool there are moments where

[00:36:07] it's like when somebody is saying something really like heavy to Corleo the speech bubbles have shadows that like cast on his face there are moments where like two panels have like kind

[00:36:20] of a circle cut out of each side and together they form a speech bubble like there are just all these fascinating things or like when a monster is like cut into pieces the panels themselves are

[00:36:32] cut in those ways to show that they're sliced up like just really interesting things happening most artists nowadays will draw digitally like on their computers using like something like clip studio

[00:36:44] paint or something like that this was done analog that's sick holy shit they mentioned it a lot in the gutter like in if you read the magazine like the actual magazine it'll actually say like

[00:36:54] support Hayashi sensei and his analog work like this is a completely done analog and they made it a big deal to say that oh this is an analog work him and actually the other manga that I

[00:37:06] translate undead unluck those were the only two that were actually doing analog that's so cool also I liked the dynamic between I did like the dynamic between Corleo and mama and I wish that

[00:37:17] yeah that really I was such a cool idea to have the main hero be raised by the demon lord yeah there was actually a bit and I don't know if this is I should be able to say this but I get the story

[00:37:28] boards before the actual manga goes out and there was a little bit more in the beginning of the of the manga about like how this hall worked in their world like oh the hero and the demon lord like

[00:37:40] they're together but like their government like you know because it kind of allude to it over the course of the series oh he was government protected or whatever the hell it was but

[00:37:49] there's actually like a little thing where they show like oh he's going to get his like checkup because you know it's been like eight years or whatever like his eight-year checkup or whatever

[00:37:59] with the government and they expanded upon in the beginning a little bit more but I guess they cut it out for the interest of time but I really wish they like went into that a little bit more like

[00:38:08] give it like some more time to breathe yeah I mean this series in general it is like I wish you gave a lot of things more time to breathe you know like that that is kind of a central problem but I

[00:38:18] will say as we said like the story while chapter to chapter there are issues within each chapter this guy does like a pretty damn good job storytelling I will say it really kept me going I remained interested in these characters honestly I was interested in the romance between

[00:38:35] Alicia and Corleo even if like the age gaps a little weird I was interested in Alicia the whole time I like her I like the characters in this series like except for Corleo I mean I also like

[00:38:48] how the author clearly has like all these little details he likes like one thing that was really cool is Alicia openly talks about how she hates rain because it makes her think of like her mother

[00:38:57] dying or something but she's the one who runs out to go find Monica when Monica disappears you can just tell this offer really really cared about what he was doing even if a lot of his execution

[00:39:07] fell apart yeah also I'm gonna say it apparently a lot of people disagree with me I thought the ending was Keno as David would say I thought it was very well done so the ending is basically like

[00:39:20] people are like oh it's not an ending no it is an ending it's just an ambiguous ending okay basically it's like and basically commit suicide more or less and Corleo is like wait I'm still

[00:39:31] alive hold on let me go figure out where these powers are and he finds Grisha who is like this mutant abomination is like yeah we're gonna fight you and then like a bun like all his friends show

[00:39:40] up to fight him and it ends the adventure continues sort of except it doesn't because he dies that's the point though it's like where do you go from here oh there's one more chapter and he dies

[00:39:50] like we just did a fake out where like we said he was gonna die and then he didn't but we also said he's still going to die so what's gonna happen next well he's either gonna win and he's gonna

[00:39:59] die or he's gonna lose and he's gonna die like I don't where do you go and the answer is it's kind of like not that important you get it so I actually think that the ambiguity the ambiguity was well

[00:40:12] done watch a goddamn Coen brothers movie god damn it people this manga's ending was so good it even made Jordan say Keno unironically it's true I did yeah also I want to say that it had

[00:40:22] issues but I do still want to applaud the series for trying to have downtime with the characters like it keeps being where he's like I have to force some plot thing which is not really what

[00:40:31] downtime is supposed to do because it's supposed to be like seeding things rather than like a bad guy showing up wet when they're at the theme park even though I know that did happen in chainsaw man

[00:40:38] part two but he's earned it so yeah I mean it's just there's just so many fun details and like I think overall I think the series had a lot of issues but I do want to say this is definitely an

[00:40:47] offer that I will be excited to see his next series this guy is talented and he does things that I don't see like any other manga running in Shonen Jump do I can't think of a single artist

[00:41:00] with like the exception of Fujimoto doing anything nearly as interesting with panels as this guy is now that we've talked about the positive negatives let's really get into where it could have gone

[00:41:10] David I know that you have you had something that you were really passionate about that you want to talk about that you would have revised about this series yeah yeah he was just there

[00:41:18] and he was randomly stronger than the demon lord and he never really like they never really expanded upon that which they probably should have because he was always in he was in like every chapter he

[00:41:30] would like get messed up by Grisha and he would just like oh where were you and like oh I just I was in some random place I've walked back like what like okay so I really wish they had like

[00:41:39] expanded upon him a lot of the other characters too but specifically him because he kind of stood out the entire time I legit thought when he showed up again but like he came back from Grisha it

[00:41:51] would be like Oh Grisha did something to him and he was like taken over or something yeah like that's the clone or something but like if that was something the author was gonna do he didn't

[00:42:01] get to it so weird he had so many forced ideas but then he didn't really focus on the stuff that he wanted to do like it's such a cool idea to have the main character the main protagonist that

[00:42:10] the universe says this is the protagonist be raised by the demon Lord it would have been such an interesting way to share morality but they've dropped the ball by making it that heroes

[00:42:17] were always good and then if anyone's a bad guy it's always still going to be a demon like I was kind of pissed at the first traitor was a demon Lord it's like yeah no dog that guy was gonna be

[00:42:26] evil I mean here's the thing though you could argue that Evan was kind of a traitor Evan turned around and tried to kill Corleo in the first child you know what you're right that is a fair

[00:42:37] point yeah but at the same time it is like I would have liked to see it to see the more of that like they sort of got into it with there's so many characters I don't remember the names all the

[00:42:48] time there's too many characters in the suit the the ghost here Sadiko it seemed like they were gonna get there with Sadiko but they were just like rather than her being like immoral she was just

[00:42:57] kind of like a moral and was like yeah you know what though I'm still on your side just cuz like I don't know I have a crush on you too Corleo this series was kind of a harem manga it ended up sort

[00:43:08] of a hair of manga kind of weird isn't it it was not expecting that's not even a negative I was just like kind of surprised that I found myself reading a fucking there was also one scene I

[00:43:22] kind of wish he had done differently it was where the author really loves playing with the text box is actually taking out three-dimensional space so there's a scene where I kind of wish

[00:43:30] he had done this differently where when he is talking to end and end is like I'm worthless and the main characters like that's not true any grabs for like blindfold I thought he was going

[00:43:39] to physically grab her text box where she keeps Sally keep saying she's useless and just rip it away and I think that would have been such an awesome payoff for the fact that the text boxes

[00:43:48] seem to be diegetic in this series the biggest payoff of that for me was where with hallo hallo who I just I want to call him horror one piece shaman king shaman king I put no the horror

[00:44:01] horror isn't that also for one piece that's how a promo laughs but there's a character named horror horror from shaman king well probably means the word ghost in Japanese sound goes make um actually

[00:44:12] Jordan oh well it's what I was saying and I was still talking about horror horror from one piece so no god damn it I love you to join no but uh hello hello where the big payoff for that for me

[00:44:28] was where like the panels were physically cutting in to just give him like a blindfold like a mask so you couldn't see his actual eyes that was so cool also I really liked how they ceded the fact

[00:44:42] that he erased sigil sorcery because like you started off like man why doesn't this world have sigil sorcery we just don't have it and then Sadiko brings back two of the old heroes and he's

[00:44:54] like well they won't have sigil sorcery and then they do and it's like wait how the fuck do they have sigil sorcery and then horror horror horror and then hollow hollow is like oh we used to have

[00:45:02] it I just erased it I thought that was like pretty well done yeah that was great so what would you have changed about that situation I really would have made Corleo a lot more like for lack of a

[00:45:13] better word like cowardly I would have made him more reluctant to get super involved in the fighting I might have made him worse at fighting yeah he was just he was an isekai chi protagonist

[00:45:25] he was op really diffused the tension of a lot of a lot of situations like I would have taken him out of situations where it's like nah I want to see how Alicia deals with this herself or hey

[00:45:39] I want to see how Minerva gets herself out of this situation instead of Corleo showing up with a brand new power you didn't know he had until this page just saving the day yeah and then also

[00:45:53] one last thing is I think it would have been nice to have established a sense of world-building which would have better built contrast between the characters worlds because it's really do you have electricity yes no is really the only dividing line between all of these characters

[00:46:04] you know so any that on a high note let's get into miscellaneous thoughts Jordan this also kind of made me think of stealth symphony where it just shotguns characters and it has this weird

[00:46:16] isekai element that kind of matters but not I just wanted to say that I just was kind of miscellaneous thinking about that David I don't know if you're familiar with that series I do

[00:46:24] remember it yeah stealth symphony yeah yeah it's uh I was actually thinking in this recording what are times where main characters have died at the end of the manga and that's an example actually

[00:46:33] yeah that's it yeah that's one of the prime ones huh samurai 8 as well oh yeah yeah that too yeah another one that was a glorious 25 chapter flop yeah also uh my other miscellaneous thought was

[00:46:44] so he threatens to the main character threatens to cut his hand off with a bone slot when he gets kidnapped why was there just a random bone saw in a place where he got kidnapped like what was their

[00:46:53] plan for that well I guess it's just like I was just like why is that there I do was it a hospital I don't remember where it was a cabin in the middle of like oh yeah yeah well I guess it's a

[00:47:05] hacksaw I but it's I guess a bone saw is just a hacksaw yeah that's pretty gruesome um shocker a bone saw is gruesome threatening to cut your hand off that's gruesome whoa no I will say one

[00:47:18] of the things that stuck out to me about this series was they were like it didn't really fully go anywhere I feel like it was going to but like there's a huge theme about mothers in this series

[00:47:29] I mean it's called mama you but I mean like you know you have ma mama whose name is literally ma mama who is corleone's mother figure um alicia's mother died and that was like a big thing um

[00:47:43] koopa's a mother a mother herself and her son died minerva's mother's a piece of shit yeah minerva's mother's a piece of shit who fucking sold her yeah like for the fucking child subsidies

[00:47:57] or whatever like straight up tax purposes like oh god like total piece of shit even like ralph red like his princess is the result of a political marriage between like a demon king and a hero

[00:48:11] so it was like so yeah so it was like uh her parents were relevant and then you know and didn't have a pair any mom or dad at all so like no beginning this felt like it was ha ha ha ha

[00:48:24] but like so I feel like it this was all like leading up somewhere you know oh oh oh oh and then the most powerful form of sigil is the mother sigil thank you and then so david did

[00:48:37] you have any cool uh little things that you haven't had a chance to say yet I don't know if anyone knew this but like if you look back on like the place names and some of the characters they're based off

[00:48:47] foods oh that is cool simat is the name of the continent persimmon oh panello pan means bread oh so he's doing a little bit of a curatoria thing here because I think the influence off of like

[00:49:00] dragon quest is really high yeah yeah and uh what was it the amusement part is fruit spelled backwards so to prove yeah some of these names I was like I bet this is an anagram or spelled

[00:49:10] backwards mean something can I tell you when you said dragon quest there was a part I almost corrected you dragon ball and I was like wait no no no he did dragon quest as well I apologize

[00:49:22] um actually is wrong um actually I have some cool trivia from max eb I am abridging this I'm sorry max to be for the sake of time listeners you can find the full notes on our patreon the series was

[00:49:35] a recommendation and gift and gifted art from uh the guy who made jujitsu kaizen okay okay yeah yes thank you and despite not winning the golden future cup in 2022 the offer beat uh the

[00:49:46] actual winner to serialization that's it that's her yeah and the winner has not actually ever started a series so there we go I was just talking about that before there you go and then also end

[00:49:58] is inspired by you ball from hikyo gx which is I have not heard that name in a long time yep and then um Tucker had a few questions for you but for the sake of time I unfortunately can only ask

[00:50:07] one of these why was the decision made not to change the title when publishing the english version since mama in the title gives a very weird first impression to readers without any knowledge in japanese was this a publisher mandate I gave a list of suggestions and they

[00:50:22] went with just going well actually it was a list of suggestions and then it was a list of romanizations so initially they wanted to go like mama dash you you instead of like mama

[00:50:33] capitalize you you like that but I also gave like monsters and heroes I gave like a bunch of like a whole list to my editor and uh the publisher which is viz media I guess they got word from

[00:50:45] shuisha that was just like oh no we have to you know just keep it mama you you same thing with um kyokuto necromance which supposed to be far east necromances as late as like the chapter going

[00:50:56] up almost and uh it just got switched like um the day before it went live I think or maybe like two days before it went live oh wow usually a publisher thing it's usually like a shuisha

[00:51:05] thing like they'll approve of the title and then like you know that's what we'll go with but sometimes they give us more free reign like the uh uh viz they'll give viz a little bit more free

[00:51:15] reign with some things but you know it depends and yet delicious in dungeon that was okay offer asked that to be the english title because it's dnd okay but come on demon slayer most generic

[00:51:26] title in the entire world demons of the shadow realm which fucked up the popularity of that series real quick what does the series actually translate to the title actually in chapter four

[00:51:35] when he goes like oh i'm going to end the strife between demons and heroes that's literally what it means demons and heroes god speaking of a generic title jesus yeah mama you you was better

[00:51:47] yeah all right and then actually that i think ties into our final work we're gonna read off some six word summaries so why don't we dive into that i say that because i feel any of these six

[00:51:56] word summaries could have been potential titles for this series so from tucker darkest timelines coming for your ass maxi b waiting for the actual ending still or a paladin terminal case of a sudden

[00:52:06] harem syndrome balbazarus what's in a hero not much blah moomoo focus on mama no all you you chicken warlord worst version of into the spider verse dackerson plot big minus geography big plus

[00:52:19] oh that oh god that got me sweaty that's a really good one because for listeners the entire continent it's set in is shaped like a plus oh right god damn it that is a contender for best six word

[00:52:30] summary of the year damn 40 chess god i'm like i don't i would not want to follow that guy uh so it really sucks to be diego now i'm just kidding diego said end game of into the flop verse dude

[00:52:42] rock said you dig on multiverses not anymore generic man mama you you but you you bench mama cornac hold up i'm gonna exposition quick isekai sensei tone whiplash makes mama's neck hurt grpg astrologer said what's the polar opposite of closure kermit the grog yo minerva manga prequel

[00:52:57] when though that's what i'm fucking saying dog captain clueless and mama didn't mean to flop and then jordan take it from there man imagine first of all pretend that that sounded anything trying my best he's tried his best i know anyway lord anubis number one red hood fan

[00:53:17] battle series surprise it's a harem luffy 0 3 2 1 multiverse starring the least interesting hero yeah meru commissions open gloating unhinged narrator doesn't actualize master plan portal man could have made isekai justice league quack another victim of fatally sloppy wrap-ups red

[00:53:39] blade avoids depth in favor of fridging fingering at first and i was like what the fuck manga did here yeah the the porn real i have every power because protagonist savia another one mama just killed a manga you you okay maybe you did do that better than me

[00:54:02] yes bubby did the author have a plan scott well i have to say demon a demon's plan uh scott just followed the marvel multiverse trend spike hey hero want to hear my plans spook aka sir skellington

[00:54:17] bro red mary sue and said man it's a good one too the wolf the wood the trafalgar boring hero fights shonen's worst villain zylon still better battle harem than new ways exorcist

[00:54:31] and then david cool david what was your six word summary mama you you is cool but ended up in the jordan what was yours the panels are coming to life oh that's good i had to see you'll tell me

[00:54:46] which of these are better mine was every character everywhere all at once this is honestly my thought on the series this isn't a definition of a for effort i would say i like the former i just

[00:54:56] thought it was a fun way because that is really like to say flop or not that is my thought on this this offer absolutely tried he did not he tried his best it just was not good enough this

[00:55:04] is a this is a flop i'm afraid to say for me i don't know if i'd say it's a flop i really wanted more i was upset when this ended i wanted to keep reading as many issues as i have with corleo i

[00:55:17] think corleo like really hurt the series but like everything else i was kind of invested it kept me interested the whole way so i mean i think it's barely not a flaw you're mad lad it's on the

[00:55:29] cusp just had too many issues for me dog i don't blame you at all and then david how about you did you think this is a flop or not i agree in the sense that like yeah it's it's probably a flop if

[00:55:38] you look at it like maybe numbers wise or popularity poll wise but for me i really like the series and i really think that it could of course correct itself it just changed a few little

[00:55:47] things midway in the series um so i don't i don't want to call it a flop like i've worked on some flops like we can go back in my back catalog and like we can go into super smartphone or we can go

[00:55:58] into uh like we can go into any like doh we try like yeah were you like jesus christ when you found out the villain's name was q in that series that was the protagonist name god you're right yeah so

[00:56:11] i mean like and nothing i don't like to slide against other mangaka or whatever because they're trying their best and you know shonen jump is a really competitive magazine but like i don't want

[00:56:20] to call mama you a flop because i don't really think it did much flopping it just was the guy's first serialization and it went pretty far for a first serialization it's 29 chapters that's uh

[00:56:31] longer than do retry i'm pretty sure yeah doh retry only got um 19 chapters and uh yeah smartphone got about um 20 i like how david is very clearly implying that we have been pronouncing the name

[00:56:45] of the series wrong the entire time and jordan just still doesn't use the correct pronunciation when the translator is saying the name of the series differently no no no actually i'll tell

[00:56:54] you guys later about that but like uh you can say do retry or don't retry it doesn't matter okay i mean who gives a shit it's it's do you end it it's don't retry it done ended

[00:57:06] so i think that's both fair so i guess i'm the only one who gets to give a recommendation then so i want to say this actually made me think of lucifer and the biscuit hammer but by that author

[00:57:15] i would say the closest comparison is spirit circle where it has to do with different dimensions or not different dimensions but different reincarnations and versions of people interacting with each other and honestly lucifer the biscuit hammer yeah is still underappreciated but definitely if you've

[00:57:29] heard of lucifer you may still not even have heard of spirit circle which is also an extremely good read by the same author now uh should i watch the lucifer and the biscuit hammer anime no don't do

[00:57:39] that yeah i think you mean read the anime given how my the fucking i'm sorry i'm just really mad let's yeah that's a whole other episode to talk about all right let's get into okay so jordan um

[00:57:50] both of us thought this was not a terrible series so we either way well actually this is this is not a flop so jordan how does this rank is this the best thing you've ever read on the show no okay

[00:57:59] well then let's get into wrap-ups david thank you so much for joining us where can people find more of you you can find me on twitter shin haruko s h i n o h o r o k o almost misspelled it basically

[00:58:12] i'm on twitter whenever i'm like not doing work and uh just kind of dick around on there thank you for calling a twitter by the way ex formally twitter i'm sorry no thank you no please keep

[00:58:23] calling it twitter please call it please keep calling it twitter oh god damn it good for the seo come on that's true but um yeah no uh you can find me on there uh you can find me in bookstores

[00:58:35] if you read undead on luck or kaiju number eight gokuraku guy i'm currently in the middle of doing like five other six other seven other projects right now there's also city hunter i'm doing the

[00:58:46] official oh i've heard that's good translation for that yeah um it's on a platform called manga hot uh it's like a japanese exclusive service but it's accessible to people in north america so you can

[00:58:58] check that out i'm currently in the middle of doing um uh dr mari uh machiito's um ultimate manga techniques the book by former editor torishima uh who was a uh the editor to toriyama

[00:59:12] um akira toriyama and um uh masakazu katsura uh and koji inada pick that up when it's in stores it's a lot about manga making manga and uh how he can prevent you from making a flop awesome well i

[00:59:26] want to say also jordan props for making the opening ending thing being a great co-host and helping with editing thank you so much david for all the work that you do on this show props

[00:59:34] to merlot for the awesome cover up find her online at lyle mer and not just being our generous art benefactor wait david david david i love you i love you too i love you too oh i love you all

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[01:00:21] you even get exclusive monthly episodes on top of that jordan what are we talking about in the month of june well this month listener i'm finally gonna make david read baki yeah we're reading

[01:00:31] three volumes of baki i'm re diving in tonight we'll see if i enjoy it hell yeah you could even be listening to the normal body or helping us pick what series we cover on the show find it at

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[01:00:49] than permission when dissecting kawaii and rachel my wonderful wife she is the best she bought me cake yesterday moving on down to the ravioli tier where you get weekly pictures of my adorable dog

[01:01:00] ravioli and if you join that tier i'll also send you magic the gathering ravioli dog tokens i have some they're great yes david if you would like some i'm happy to send you some as a thank

[01:01:09] you for being on the show oh uh also i'm working on the magic the gathering manga that's coming out from visa there's a magic the gathering what is the title you're going with destroy all humans

[01:01:19] they cannot be regenerated nice perfect yeah because of humans is natural race in magic gathering so yeah people kept translating no no it's gotta actually be legal to have you played

[01:01:28] magic i played wrath of god a lot oh i played a lot of card games yugioh and actually that's how i got my start yugioh and stuff like that so i love it yeah um if you want to send me your address

[01:01:39] i will unironically if you like so essentially we call my dog ravioli the goblin so i made goblin tokens that have her picture on them just send me your address i will happily send you

[01:01:46] some oh that sounds cool and then ravioli she's just a good goblin she went on a hike and everyone was like wow she's the best dog and was like don't you know it we have uh chris eva lady t

[01:01:56] matt t tiffany and trevor moving on down to the king of the forest we have 090z bandit stoof my girlfriend i love her aw brad chad gas snake jacob andrew galloway justin hefner kirby marty

[01:02:08] max baker riley sarah t wolfwood and tommy boy i also want to give a big thank you to our galactic ball federation officers and our beast children thank you so much i love all of you and jordan

[01:02:16] anything you want to toss in yeah so again i'm just gonna talk about um how on mission ignition we finally got an interview with somebody from vampires who was yeah jordan interviewed

[01:02:28] gary oldman oh yeah well we're gonna find out if gary oldman was actually on vampires you could listen to the show to find out uh hey uh cool david you ever hear of vampires yes i have whoa

[01:02:41] really that's a third person yeah whoa i'll just say i'm a big gary oldman fan there you go hell all right so let's get into signups thank you so much for joining us this has been david

[01:02:53] this has been jordan david cool david and you've been listening and you've been listening to yeah and you've been listening to show that's my line jordan fuck and you've been listening to shona flop keep on flopping floppers god damn it yeah

[01:03:08] fuck all right also listen to our love out david when he's in the doc he's like am i supposed to be saying all these lines like oh right your name is also all right all right we can stop recording