#107 Yamato Gensouki (Ft. TikToker Manga Lela)

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[00:00:29] Welcome to this episode of Shonen Flop where we talk about manga and shonen jump that didn't make it big. I'm David.

[00:00:33] I'm Jordan.

[00:00:34] Next week we'll be covering Wizard Soul which is a manga I can pronounce. If you'd like to read along with us be sure to join the discussion in the discord and submit your six word summary.

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[00:00:45] But this week we are talking about Yamato Jordan say the second word.

[00:00:49] Gensouki.

[00:00:50] We are joined today though by Taryn aka Magalila. Thank you so much for joining us today.

[00:00:55] Thank you for having me. It's great to be here.

[00:00:57] We are so excited. I also want to give a big thank you to Brad aka Isekai sensei for recommending you.

[00:01:02] So I very much appreciate it. We've been very excited to have you on.

[00:01:05] I have to say I really enjoyed your Kaiju number eight review.

[00:01:09] I definitely felt how you brought up that it's an older Shonen Jump protagonist.

[00:01:13] I think we are currently the same age as him which means that we are about to be older than him which

[00:01:17] really makes me feel like I'm crumbling to dust.

[00:01:20] Yes ancient over here.

[00:01:22] I have to ask I know you have been reading a lot of lesser known because publishers send you material.

[00:01:27] What is something that I guess really surprised you?

[00:01:30] Let's be positive. What was something that was way better than you were initially expecting based on

[00:01:34] kind of just your first impression on it when you checked it out for your show?

[00:01:36] Oh, that's a great question. I mean because I literally am one of those people who just

[00:01:40] picks something up based off of the cover art in a bookstore which is not the move usually because

[00:01:46] that can go really poorly really quickly. Something that surprised me I'm just I'm looking around my

[00:01:52] apartment at all the books I have to try to see.

[00:01:54] I guess that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover but when you have no context all you got is

[00:01:59] the cover. That's true.

[00:02:00] Well, the thing is there is a summary on the back. I just I don't always read it which is not wise

[00:02:06] because sometimes there are things listed on the back that are things that like I objectively know

[00:02:10] I don't enjoy so then why did I buy it? And that has happened sometimes. I mean I think the biggest

[00:02:16] thing for me is my favorite genre is the villainous genre and before I actually started reading them

[00:02:23] and same thing for isekai. So like female led isekai are so incredibly different than like the tons of

[00:02:29] isekai male lead anime we get. So when I started reading isekai I had this expectation of what it was

[00:02:38] going to be and I do enjoy some of those like very silly isekai anime we get.

[00:02:42] Okay, but my question is how do they compare to vending machine led isekai?

[00:02:48] Fair question. I never actually watched that one even though it did look fascinating. I mean so the

[00:02:53] biggest difference like you know there's usually harems in the male led ones. There's not as much

[00:02:58] like character development. The female led ones the isekai thing I've always seen it as it's really

[00:03:02] just making it so that like from the very first start of the story the female character has a

[00:03:07] very distinct purpose. There's a goal there's usually they have to use their wits to sort of get out

[00:03:12] of something especially in the villainous ones where they usually have a rough idea of like the

[00:03:17] doom that they're supposed to live through and then they immediately have to start doing everything

[00:03:22] they can to change the story. So like and then other than that like you don't often know it's an isekai

[00:03:27] like you could jump in in chapter two or three and not even be aware that it's someone who's

[00:03:31] reincarnated or whatever it is. So I think that's the biggest thing for me is like isekai gets a really

[00:03:37] bad rap because of all of the ones that are really popularized but the ones with female led

[00:03:42] characters are so incredibly different so they were much better than what I was expecting.

[00:03:47] Oh that's awesome. So you say villainous are these ones where the main character comes in and like

[00:03:53] they are the bad guy basically? Kind of so it can go in different ways so often the manhwa so the

[00:04:00] Korean comics are a little bit different than the Japanese manga ones we get but usually what's happening

[00:04:05] is often it's characters who get reincarnated into like an otome game as the villainous character so

[00:04:12] they'll know that in like six of these endings their character is exiled or beheaded or something

[00:04:19] terrible is going to happen so they like as a person in their soul are not necessarily a villain

[00:04:25] character but they are perceived by everyone around them as a villain and so then it's like they have to

[00:04:31] go through this very interesting journey of like trying to change the plot so that's winning people

[00:04:37] over and they can take really different forms some of them are really really silly and then one of my

[00:04:42] favorites it's actually she's convinced that she cannot change her ending so every time she wins

[00:04:48] someone over she makes them promise that they'll kill her if she starts being evil because she's convinced

[00:04:52] she's gonna do these things like the plot somehow gonna make her do these terror and they're terrible

[00:04:57] things like she in the story has someone murder his mother like it's actual evil things yeah so she's

[00:05:03] convinced that like she is going to end up doing those things against her will so it just sets up a

[00:05:08] start that you can go really fun silly direction or you could have this sort of like almost horror

[00:05:13] scene things where you're really trying to fight against that fate that's so interesting yeah i mean

[00:05:18] isekai is such a complex genre because there's so many bad isekai yeah a lot of them are just what if

[00:05:24] this character was the protagonist of dragon quest yes that's why i absolutely love fantasy anime that's

[00:05:31] not an isekai shout out to free run free run is so good even though ijan called it an isekai which

[00:05:36] showed how little research did you see her like top 10 isekai anime has free run is number six and

[00:05:42] they're like what are you really gonna trust the website that gave god hand to three fair but i will

[00:05:48] trust the podcast that talks about this manga so shall we move into getting into the details on the series

[00:05:52] yep yeah jordan take it away so this is yamato gensoki tucker had a little bit to say uh about

[00:06:00] the title yamato is the family name of the emperors of japan the yamato era more or less like the longest

[00:06:08] dynasty in recorded human history like this has been the same family for a very long time the yamato

[00:06:13] era was the first era when the yamato emperors came into power and you know yamato's also used to

[00:06:18] refer to uh the japanese people as a whole i remember uh in megaman actually david there is

[00:06:25] yamato man and then in megaman battle network they changed his name to japan man for some reason but

[00:06:33] yeah the word genso means fantasy and the key at the end isn't really a word but a a suffix that can

[00:06:38] be slapped to the end of a noun to mean something like a record or chronicle of tucker says that uh if

[00:06:44] he had to give this an english title he would have chosen something like uh yamato fantasy

[00:06:48] chronicles okay interesting okay yeah also just for the record tucker is one of our researchers who

[00:06:55] works on the show and they provide us with a lot of detail on like the translation and pronunciation

[00:06:59] and stuff cool so thank you tucker for that thank you and this was written by kentaro yabuki who was

[00:07:05] an assistant for takeshi obata i feel a man who needs no introduction a man who needs no introduction

[00:07:12] because he is the artist of death note yeah he did do death note he also did platinum end and

[00:07:20] and school judgment yeah school judgment uh don't read school judgment kentaro yabuki had as an

[00:07:27] assistant shiho kashiwagi i have no clue who that is i got nothing i hadn't heard of their series

[00:07:33] either so it's okay but maxi b says they're famous so i'll take their word on it uh right but this dude is

[00:07:39] actually a legend in his own right yeah this dude's done shit that i have heard of like black cat i've

[00:07:44] actually read a little bit of black cat i read it a really long time ago i remember i enjoyed it but

[00:07:50] i could not tell you a thing about it at this point it is one of the most 2000 or like early 2000s manga

[00:07:57] you could possibly find if you understand what i mean by that yep he also did to love rue oh i learned

[00:08:04] that that title is actually a pun because in japan it is called to love rue which is like trouble

[00:08:11] interesting i can almost see that yeah and yeah that was a big hit yeah he also did uh to love rue

[00:08:17] darkness which is a continuation which is extra horny i believe it and he did darling in the franks

[00:08:24] the manga version oh yeah huh this man loves his horny oh yes that's the horny mech anime uh

[00:08:32] say this is pretty tame in comparison yeah yeah right this is him like clearly trying to do

[00:08:39] something different he's like oh no i should just make horny manga that's much more successful yeah i

[00:08:44] feel like after black cat he was just like i'm horny fucking whatever and then finally he did ayakashi

[00:08:50] triangle which is also a pretty big hit yeah relatively big hit yeah uh it was infamously

[00:08:57] taken off shown and jump because it was too horny for the magazine wow that says a lot considering

[00:09:03] the most recent chainsaw man i was gonna say yeah well this one literally has like a girl masturbating

[00:09:09] in the shower oh cool and it was like it was in print shown and jump which chainsaw man part two is not

[00:09:15] yeah and they're like maybe we shouldn't be putting this in a magazine for 12 year olds with school

[00:09:20] judgment printed in shown and jump i think it was but there's a difference between sexualizing and

[00:09:25] straight up showing someone masturbating yeah right taron for reference uh school judgment's a pedophile

[00:09:31] manga oh cool great yeah i love that that's why i said don't read it multiple times and it is right on

[00:09:38] the shown and jump app if somebody were to decide to read it and they had a shown and jump app subscription

[00:09:43] yeah whatever it's right there so you know wow great oh man but jordan do you want to tell us how

[00:09:49] long this series ran for yeah we're talking about yamato gensuki thankfully not the other one the other

[00:09:55] thing i just mentioned yeah so this ran from february 15th 1999 to june 14th 1999 so this was a short

[00:10:02] run it replaced hara luya two boy and when i say two it is i i like boys two men and the o has a

[00:10:11] slash through it like it's like a scandinavian letter work it work hallelujah is that that might even

[00:10:18] just be like a version of the name of the word hallelujah but it was created by haruto umezawa

[00:10:25] 33 volumes hit with an anime all right and the series that replaced this was servibi by sunomaru

[00:10:33] that was three volumes that was a flop this series started at the same time as field no okami fw

[00:10:40] jean shukyu den what a title but we're seeing a lot of titles by yoichi takahashi that was also a flop

[00:10:49] and what's more a title dice wo hilda dice king tilde by munanori michimoto two volumes flop but

[00:11:00] yamato gensuki 18 chapters two volumes obviously a flop because it's on this show let's hear what happens in

[00:11:07] these chapters it's warring states era japan and shion is a teenage assassin working for a group

[00:11:12] known as the anmyo union his job is to kill the heads of state and watch the whole nation crumble

[00:11:17] he does this because no joke he thinks that destroying every nation will result in no more war

[00:11:22] shion is sent to the yama nation where he defeats the young empress io in a duel with his super cool

[00:11:27] assassin magic and becomes her bodyguard he goes to kill her but she reveals that she knew he was

[00:11:32] an assassin because he used assassin magic which is something only assassins do whoa

[00:11:38] she tells him she wants to unify japan and end wars that way and that she'll conquer the holy city of

[00:11:44] takama to do so because it's the center of japan or something then shion's buddy shows up and takes her

[00:11:49] hostage telling him to kill her because destroying all nations is how you end wars io is like that's

[00:11:55] fucking stupid where will all the people go and shion is like oh shit i never considered this very

[00:12:00] obvious consequence of my actions shion jumps in to defend her betraying his old allegiance to stop

[00:12:06] the other assassin his determination makes his sword turn into a shingu a magic sword named sukiyomi and

[00:12:12] he kills the bad guy and resolves to protect io popcorn jordan the captain of the guard doesn't

[00:12:17] trust shion but then he thwarts an assassination attempt and he likes shion then he asks shion to

[00:12:21] teach them magic and he doesn't want to do it so the captain doesn't trust shion and then they fight

[00:12:26] a little shion says he'll teach them and then he likes shion again it turns out that every nation

[00:12:30] with info on takama is getting wrecked by the onmyo union so they go to a nation with info on takama and

[00:12:37] see it getting wrecked by shura a guy from the onmyo union he has a cool shingu and reveals that shion

[00:12:44] was the heir to the tsukuya royal family which was wiped out by onmyo shion gets mad when he learns this

[00:12:51] and fights back sending shura running then we find out that there's a descendant of a takama citizen

[00:12:58] living in the forest of no return so they decide to go there to do so io enlists the help of retsu

[00:13:04] a kid who gets a crush on io gets jealous of shion being near her and just all around fucking sucks i

[00:13:10] hate this guy so much i really really do not like this character get him the fuck out of here he could

[00:13:15] talk to plants though so he's useful for navigating the forest popcorn david they go to a town in the

[00:13:21] front of the forest of no return where a guy tries to turn ropes into snakes to stop them from going

[00:13:26] and he's like dang you can tell with those eyes that she's seen hell and tells the guy about how

[00:13:30] you actually was adopted by the previous queen they enter the forest and are stopped by guardians

[00:13:34] controlled by haru the descendant they were looking for and she brings them to her home she thinks to

[00:13:39] herself dang you can tell by i was eyes that she's seen hell haru sends you into a cave to prove she's

[00:13:44] not evil where she encounters a mirror that digs up her trauma meanwhile a bad guy from

[00:13:48] omg named coma shows up to fight shion they train together and coma has a big chip on his shoulder

[00:13:54] about shion being better so he shows shion his new shingu which looks like an evil version of his

[00:13:59] huh where have i seen this kind of idea before they fight and kiss uh no they don't kiss and coma wins

[00:14:05] at first but then shion is unconscious he meets his dad who slaps him and tells him to wake up

[00:14:09] shion wakes up and wins that's kind of it bye bye

[00:14:14] yeah as we've mentioned many times uh there are only about three ways that cancelled manga and

[00:14:21] this is the ending where they just pretend it didn't end like they're in denial that the manga

[00:14:27] actually got cancelled yeah it's just like to be continued yeah it was weird yeah let's get into

[00:14:34] the characters so uh do you mind telling us about shion yeah so shion has is framed as this like

[00:14:41] tragic past um his whole nation was wiped out and then the assassin showed up and were like hey we can

[00:14:48] end war and he believed them and so then he goes around essentially assassinating leaders to take down

[00:14:53] their nations which is like the slow way of ruining a nation and then when he actually you know meets io

[00:14:59] all of a sudden he's very like blushy and caught off guard by someone being nice and like noticing that

[00:15:05] other humans exist yeah i mean so then you know he sort of tries to train people because he's like

[00:15:10] super strong but also like he doesn't have a control on his emotions and soul and things so i mean he

[00:15:16] is framed as supposed to have tons of character growth it just happens very fast it really seems like the

[00:15:24] second eo brings up like the smallest criticism of his ideas and what he believes he's like

[00:15:30] fuck i'm an idiot yeah because he's an idiot he's just so mopey yes he's so oh god he's he's annoying

[00:15:40] like i mean to be fair like everyone he knows was murdered yeah and he's like isn't he like 13 or

[00:15:47] something yeah he's like 12 or 13 yeah so like he's a kid so i kind of get like the first time someone's

[00:15:53] nice to you you like yeah because the first thing he thought the assassins were being nice to him and he

[00:15:58] immediately started killing people so like i guess this is a better version of that that is fair i like

[00:16:03] how it's that trouble like you were the only one who was ever nice to me yeah yeah um also his dad is

[00:16:08] like really important i it was like his dad was like a royal or something i feel like i kind of miss

[00:16:12] his dad was the king yeah he was like the emperor of their nation the sukoil the bear nation

[00:16:19] the bear nation yeah also i think he's a tsundere oh 100 yeah he's a tsundere rare male tsundere

[00:16:27] category like vegeta from dragon pussy or very similar to like windbreaker i don't know windbreaker

[00:16:32] yeah i'm unfamiliar oh you it just had an anime it's excellent but the the main character is very

[00:16:37] similar in like demeanor but i would say like more appealing but i'm just imagining an izakai that

[00:16:42] time i got reincarnated as a tsundere yeah oh man he also has like a massive sword

[00:16:48] that is literally taller than he is which i thought was funny and it can get bigger and it

[00:16:54] can get bigger yeah oh god all right and then jordan do you mind telling us about uh the empress

[00:17:00] ew yeah so so this is eo eo i think is very stupid because here's the thing eo is constantly putting

[00:17:08] herself in danger and it's like eo you're the empress if you die your entire nation is fucked like

[00:17:16] how do you not know this like the first time we see her she is fighting she is dueling shion then

[00:17:24] they go to approach this uh area that's getting like currently sacked by like shura the bad guy

[00:17:31] she's just like no i must put myself in the fray in between my bodyguard and the bad guy and it's like

[00:17:39] why do you even have a bodyguard right she felt like very confident in the first chapter and then

[00:17:45] the offer just completely retconned like she was like a tomboy at first and then she just became

[00:17:49] kind of useless she's just not well written like having read a lot of similar stories where the

[00:17:55] female lead like can fight and do things or maybe is like an empress whatever it's like when they need

[00:18:01] her to show up and be brave they write her as if she has these skills that she's never used before

[00:18:06] like that when they're in the forest and all of a sudden she's the only one who can hit the got

[00:18:10] whatever those golem type tree things were yeah but it's like that it's never she's never shown

[00:18:16] training she's never like it skipped over all the parts that should have shown her like why she has

[00:18:21] that strength it's just magically when they need her to be the strong female character they have

[00:18:25] her as that and then otherwise she's just this sort of like kind of love interest with a dark past

[00:18:30] yeah we'll definitely get into it but the characters do not really seem to actually act like independent

[00:18:36] characters in this series also at some point they decide that she had like horrible trauma yes i feel

[00:18:42] like they hadn't really brought that up prior to it but then characters just start saying man look at

[00:18:48] her eyes you could just fucking tell that she's been through some shit and they never get to that they

[00:18:53] never actually get to what that trauma is because i guess you know the manga refused to acknowledge that

[00:18:58] it was over yeah i'm just imagining the trauma was like such a first world problem like imagine where

[00:19:04] it's like oh my butler had to live on the grounds they didn't even have their own butler's quarters

[00:19:09] so i had to see them when they were going to bed oh god right oh talking to the help is just the worst

[00:19:15] i know right although i thought it was implied that she wasn't actually royalty yeah she was adopted by

[00:19:21] like queen himiko so i said on the last uh on the chivvy that this was these characters were from

[00:19:28] romance of the three kingdoms i was wrong they are from the records of the three kingdoms which

[00:19:33] was a historical document that formed the basis for romance of the three kingdoms but yeah so

[00:19:41] allegedly you know these are historical characters io was allegedly like a real person and so was himiko

[00:19:48] let's get to the next character uh renza i hate him i hate him so much i i'm so annoyed by this

[00:19:53] i liked him you did i did out of all of them he seemed the most consistent i mean if you're a big fan do

[00:20:00] you want to talk about him i mean he shows up as a very typical like rival love interest um immediately

[00:20:06] falls in love with io like wants all of her attention will do anything to protect her has these

[00:20:12] like nature powers where he can like hear the spirits in the forest that like tell him what's going to

[00:20:17] happen so he sort of has this like predictive ability which is kind of cool and then you know they

[00:20:21] write in that he has some trauma and stuff but i just found it really refreshing like he's very

[00:20:25] like ride or die for io like he would run around and follow shion and help him like i just he seemed

[00:20:31] like of all of them the most like i don't know interesting like fully fledged human i thought he

[00:20:38] was kind of like i don't know i knew what to expect from him i think is what it was so it's felt

[00:20:43] refreshing that was my problem though like this manga already felt extremely generic to me and then

[00:20:49] when he showed up i'm like oh of course this character's in here of course they got the horny guy

[00:20:54] who's like uh who views uh this guy as like a threat like all right whatever like i was just

[00:21:00] like personally i was just done with him the second he showed up but jordan he was abandoned as a child so

[00:21:06] he has trauma oh god the fucking trauma oh my god can you believe it what are the odds and man you

[00:21:16] won't believe it but io's got the worst trauma of all of them oh my god and you really won't believe

[00:21:22] it because it's never shown it's never shown there's a lot of things that are never shown there's

[00:21:27] also shura who is technically the big bad he doesn't really show up much i just wanted to shit

[00:21:31] on him because he's like such a stupidly blatantly evil guy who's just like oh you made me use 20

[00:21:37] of my power interesting let me see how you grow i could stop this plot now but for reasons i never

[00:21:44] explain i won't well then he goes down in one hit yeah he's yeah he's like no no i'm just gonna

[00:21:50] leave now i i i didn't lose i'm i'm just leaving baka baka this manga would be great if every

[00:21:57] character was in dairy and it just fucking didn't mix yes if this manga was a parody this character

[00:22:04] feels like a parody i maybe like 20 years ago it wasn't such a trope but at this like if he was

[00:22:08] introduced straight face in a manga now i would have thought he's a parody that that's fair i'm not

[00:22:14] manga was good when it came out i would never say that but this manga has not gotten better with age

[00:22:20] what's the name of the fake manga that's in witch watch oh i don't remember but it's really good

[00:22:25] oh god i need to get the name of it i still will never forget the moment where it's like somebody

[00:22:31] asks like uh this guy if he's gonna do something and he's or if he believes something or something

[00:22:36] it's like it's something mirage no but at the same time yes yes so good anyway god oh um

[00:22:43] uran mirage this feels like a real version of uran mirage anyway let's get into why it failed so

[00:22:49] what would you say are some issues because i think the spoiler alert we didn't like this series very

[00:22:54] much but what were some things that really stood out to you as issues i mean to me it felt like i

[00:22:58] was reading bullet points of a story yeah yeah so it's just like nothing ever settled it was just

[00:23:04] like immediately like if there was a conflict which often the conflicts did not feel like real

[00:23:09] conflicts it would be resolved within like a couple of pages like there was no real it didn't

[00:23:14] feel like the characters were struggling it didn't feel like they even were getting to know each other

[00:23:17] which the thing i always enjoy the most is sort of the character development aspects and it was just

[00:23:22] sort of like he showed up immediately has a connection with people then there was a guy who

[00:23:26] didn't like him and then so they sort of fought and now they're best friends and now he's gonna train

[00:23:30] people and then we don't actually see the training and then all of a sudden they're good at

[00:23:34] things like it just it felt like there was never any actual development of anything it was just sort

[00:23:39] of like here's what i need to do to get to this next plot point but just like super accelerated yeah

[00:23:45] and even the fight scenes are like that where he just cuts around them because the artist clearly

[00:23:49] doesn't like drawing fight scenes so he just shows kind of the impact after like an implied fight scene

[00:23:54] i also feel like this series got redundant a bunch of times like um you know you just mentioned it's

[00:23:59] like oh these guys fight to uh establish that they're friends but like you know already

[00:24:03] learned respect yes he'd already earned respect because he already saved eo and then this guy was

[00:24:10] just just made up some bullshit about how oh well you're only here to protect eo well then i don't

[00:24:15] respect you and it's like dude he saved your empress yeah what the fuck like it doesn't make any sense

[00:24:23] like this conflict was already solved what are we doing wasn't there some plot where he still wanted

[00:24:28] to kill her in the first chapter that also is just completely forgotten about god i don't remember

[00:24:32] well i think it's because she says all the who would be left of the nation and then he just drops

[00:24:37] it this first chapter feels like a completely different manga because there's plot points and

[00:24:41] characterizations that are ignored yeah which is so weird right yeah i also like the whole purpose

[00:24:47] of this like is the unifying japan aspect and they keep mentioning there's all these different

[00:24:52] nations but then also they mention that she has a bunch of other unions with other nations and it's

[00:24:56] just sort of like they'll like name drop the name of a country or nation or whatever

[00:25:00] we're calling them and then like i was supposed to know who they were aligned with or why would i care

[00:25:05] like it just felt like the world wasn't actually real like it just there's the assassins and then

[00:25:12] it was them and there were supposed to be all these other people fighting for control of this

[00:25:16] like secret city situation but we never actually hear that they exist yeah well did you guys have any

[00:25:23] understanding why they were looking for the secret city no i thought that it was because it was the

[00:25:30] center of japan and so that's why they needed control of it because then you would have like

[00:25:34] the best strategic spot i don't know if that's true i guess it's like my question because it seemed like

[00:25:40] she didn't want to conquer it she wanted to prevent other emperors from conquering it or like there's a

[00:25:47] power of god that will protect them if they take it in the very last chapter they have that old woman

[00:25:54] hints that like the the source of the magic system that's you know is in that city right okay so i i

[00:26:03] think it's just we didn't get there in the story because there's also like this whole thing like in the

[00:26:08] very last chapter they're like oh this sword like heavily implied that the sword is like one of five keys

[00:26:13] for the door to this city and that's why the assassins even exist because they're trying to

[00:26:18] cultivate these people to awake these like soul swords and so i i think it maybe was center of

[00:26:24] magic or something but i don't know that there was also like they made a big deal about this magic

[00:26:29] system and then he just like kind of skips actually explaining it or showing anything interesting

[00:26:33] because it's like the same abilities every single time yeah they even had a literal teaching arc where

[00:26:38] he is teaching people and i still didn't understand anything about it i don't know that we can even call it

[00:26:42] a teaching arc because it was like two pages that's true i just like the idea that there was

[00:26:46] literally a teaching arc which is outrageous oh my god yeah yeah it's also just like there was so much

[00:26:53] talking and dialogue in the chapters were so inefficient that rope snake chapter that jordan mentioned is like

[00:26:58] a sentence was an entire chapter instead of being like six pages yeah yeah well why did we need to

[00:27:04] spend so much time with the old man he didn't do shit yeah i mean just to make it seem like they're

[00:27:09] special for being able to get past him oh you've solved my snake puzzle oh damn yeah i guess i guess

[00:27:17] you can go then which like i don't even understand the point of that because like there's the forest

[00:27:22] golems like so i think he was trying to save them or whatever i don't know yeah he was basically trying

[00:27:27] to scare them from getting killed by the forest golems yeah nothing happened and moose happened so

[00:27:33] slow i just lost track of everything going on you know they also don't really establish what the current

[00:27:37] situation in japan is it's like you need to historically understand this era of japan which

[00:27:42] i didn't really know yeah so i'm like i don't really understand the value of what they're trying

[00:27:46] to do and what's so important they either went too slow or too fast yeah there's nothing in between

[00:27:51] in the second chap they meet like this uh other nation and then the nation just immediately reveals

[00:27:59] that it's like the onmio union secretly in disguise and like that felt like that felt like

[00:28:04] you're gonna string us along for a couple chapters or at least one full chapter nope no

[00:28:09] yeah just the second they show up yeah there's no tension like you're never worried something's

[00:28:14] gonna happen because it immediately happens so like there was no point where i was ever like

[00:28:18] invested or concerned about these characters because there was no situation that actually felt

[00:28:23] threatening yeah it's also these characters were entirely reactive despite the thought being that

[00:28:28] they should be proactive of having an agenda so it's like they just let people have things happen

[00:28:32] to them and they're like oh i guess we'll deal with that now and i'm like well weren't you like

[00:28:36] you had like this really noble goal that you're trying to do like none of you actually seem to

[00:28:40] organically be bringing change into this world also i just i just really feel like everyone was stupid

[00:28:45] yeah in this yes like yeah they should be more proactive like they have this goal to conquer

[00:28:53] japan why are they being just like so docile i guess well that was the thing that bothered me the

[00:29:00] most about eo is like they say that all these other like unions are following her now but it's like

[00:29:05] why like she hasn't yeah she's not plotting anything she's not they say she has these like

[00:29:10] she called they call her a priestess but like at no point do we see any of that so the justification

[00:29:16] is hilarious because they straight up say yeah actually eo kind of sucks at everything but she's got

[00:29:23] like a really nice smile that makes everyone want to follow her right you got to protect that smile

[00:29:28] like as a woman sucks to read like that being her only worth is like oh she's cute and like attracts

[00:29:35] people with her smile and wins them over is awful to read like especially when they're trying to frame

[00:29:40] her as this like woman who can take down things with a spear it's like i where is that coming from

[00:29:44] yeah we can tell this offer doesn't exactly have the highest thoughts of women based on his other

[00:29:50] material based on the other words which like now that i know that i'm glad how she was written in this

[00:29:56] one frankly that's true this is probably this was his best written female character i did notice by the

[00:30:01] way her breasts started growing in size throughout the manga too as she got dumber yeah of course they

[00:30:07] did she was getting bimbo by the manga yeah she literally real-time bimbofication that tracks

[00:30:14] yeah oh god oh just like his master obita anyway why don't we get into what it did well jordan as

[00:30:21] i don't even i was gonna say something about how you're not a bimboers i i don't know i'll just

[00:30:25] fucking go for it from bimbo to himbo there we go jordan take it take it away so what it did well

[00:30:32] um swords looked cool yeah there were a lot of shots like really close-up shots of the sword

[00:30:38] where i was like does he like not have the sword designed yeah yeah it seemed like sometimes like

[00:30:43] the sword didn't end um which that's kind of a cool concept but it wasn't what he was doing it was

[00:30:49] just that long of a sword it couldn't fit in the panel it's like kamina's sword in gurin lagon

[00:30:55] yeah oh my god yeah i don't know uh shit the art i think was decent yeah the art was decent yeah the

[00:31:03] art was actually like pretty good in parts you know he couldn't draw a fight scene for the life of him

[00:31:08] though the setting is interesting to see something uh based this far back in japan i mean you know i've

[00:31:15] we've seen it once or twice but like you know that's cool i mean i think like there are plot ideas

[00:31:23] in here that are good ideas and i've read other things that do them really well like inherently the

[00:31:28] idea that he is betraying his assassin family and then is like going against the guy who essentially

[00:31:35] like took a man and raised him and you know then there's that like rival and stuff that's all like

[00:31:39] it's a good idea it just wasn't executed well same thing with her as like a princess empress whatever

[00:31:45] like that is fundamentally a good idea and there are other stories that do it better it's just it

[00:31:50] just wasn't executed well yeah that's that's the thing this is a cool idea i actually unironically

[00:31:55] like the idea of the main character actually being in a teacher position because it's very rare to see

[00:31:59] in this kind of series it doesn't make sense that he's 12 years old and teaching people but it did

[00:32:02] show at least the npcs wanted to be helpful like they're like oh teach us magic so we can help you fight

[00:32:06] the npcs yeah i love that you call them npcs yeah they never got names no that's very fair it's just

[00:32:15] really funny more agency than some of the main characters because they're like well we're not

[00:32:19] helpful why don't you help us gain this ability to be useful which at least is novel in a lot of

[00:32:23] series we've read yeah like why didn't eos to be taught this magic that probably would have been

[00:32:28] useful yeah yeah or the princess and at least the series didn't sexualize the female characters like

[00:32:34] his other works that's good right i like the idea of like this secret city they have to find that's a

[00:32:39] really compelling idea it's just we never got there but like the fact that you know there might be a seal

[00:32:44] or whatever they have to break like that's a cool like kind of like a castle in the sky vibes which i

[00:32:50] love that movie so yeah i also think that these are good character designs good character good character

[00:32:58] designs i was getting a real jango and sabota from bok tai feeling from you know the main character and

[00:33:07] the bad version of the main character is evil twin oh yeah it's a real shadow and sonic situation

[00:33:13] yeah yeah actually yeah as our listeners may better recognize yeah i just wanted to talk about bok tai for

[00:33:22] five seconds of course it's the power of the sun in your hand yeah let's get into where it could

[00:33:29] have gone taryn what are some things that you feel you would have really revised about the series to

[00:33:33] have made it more successful i think the biggest thing is like you could keep the bare bones plot but

[00:33:38] it just needed to slow down and actually like live in the plot let the characters breathe i feel like

[00:33:45] there was no scenes where like characters were just interacting to get to know each other so then

[00:33:49] we don't get to know them i mean and i'm especially critical of eo again just because i've read so many

[00:33:54] other stories where the story is centered around a female lead who is a queen or a princess or an

[00:34:00] empress who is fighting to save their country or whatever it is and i think if you know they could

[00:34:05] have shown whatever the secret trauma was uh from the beginning like if that really was truly the plot

[00:34:12] point because it was hinting at the fact that she was special in some way because of what she'd gone

[00:34:16] through and i think if that had been explored throughout if they had shown her getting trained

[00:34:21] and like getting good at using the spear or if she already started at it maybe learning magic or

[00:34:25] something like just letting them actually get to know each other because it literally like they meet

[00:34:30] all of a sudden they're besties then they're defeating the assassins then they're going on like

[00:34:35] it just was so quick paced that nothing ever really felt developed so if they'd just taken the time to let

[00:34:42] us actually get to know these characters i think it would have been like way more successful yeah you

[00:34:48] know and then if after like the big thing where he's meeting his former mentor like there was no fallout

[00:34:52] from that where he was like upset that he had met him and had to fight him it was just oh we did this

[00:34:57] like let them have emotions i feel like kind of most of the issues seem to be centered around eo

[00:35:03] because hey author you know there are ways to show that her eyes reflect some kind of trauma like he just

[00:35:10] kept saying her you could see hell in her eyes but whenever they show her eyes she's kind of smiling

[00:35:14] and like nah you can like do stuff with that there are ways to like express this i also just she had to

[00:35:20] be for lack of a better term more bloodthirsty she needed to want it more it seemed like she had no

[00:35:28] pragmatism basically she didn't really seem to want to do the dang thing it felt like she was doing

[00:35:35] it so that they wouldn't get destroyed as opposed to actually wanting to unify japan which i think

[00:35:40] are two very different motivations and like just being on the defensive is not as interesting for

[00:35:44] a character especially because it really like when i was trying to write a summary for this i really kept

[00:35:48] feeling like she was actually the lead compared to because he's yeah she has interesting but like

[00:35:53] there was nothing until the last chapter they didn't reveal like the special stuff about him really

[00:35:57] yeah i don't know you had to be more hardcore yeah something i think would have been interesting

[00:36:02] is what if she was kind of like i don't know how familiar you are term of chainsaw man but what if

[00:36:06] she was legit like in our makama where she was like i need to do this shit because it actually has to

[00:36:11] get done blood has to be spilled to unify the japan and one of the main character yeah initially

[00:36:16] believes her and sees how extreme her thoughts are and what she's willing to do and he's like fuck

[00:36:20] maybe i really do actually need to kill her right exactly and that would have been really cool

[00:36:24] because they alluded to in the first chapter and dropped that as a concept it would have been

[00:36:28] interesting if things weren't fully dropped you know what if yeah like maybe the main character

[00:36:34] regrets like betraying the place that he lived with like right what if his uh the onmyo union wasn't

[00:36:41] like obvious bad guys maybe they had like a reason to want to bring down like nations like it's one of

[00:36:48] those things where if you said like oh these are guys who are total anarchists who want to like end war

[00:36:54] basically and like like you know it's like i might not agree with that but like okay i can see where

[00:36:59] they're coming from but no no they're just cartoonishly evil well i think also even if they didn't change

[00:37:06] like the setup of like who was good and evil they should have had him be her bodyguard still intending

[00:37:11] to kill her for a while and then she wins him over like throughout the process and i feel like the

[00:37:17] reveal of her also knowing he's an assassin would have hit much harder if like she had known he was an

[00:37:22] assassin for weeks and was just manipulating him and trying to get him over to her side like that

[00:37:29] in and of itself that should have never been resolved in chapter one yeah yeah i also think

[00:37:33] it would have been interesting if they'd actually done something with the magic system like i honestly

[00:37:37] like the teaching idea and what if like when he gets kicked out of the guild he actually like loses his

[00:37:41] connection to the mana system and now he has to like kind of be like a mortal and like really teach

[00:37:46] and like build up this army from scratch like i think base building is such a cool idea and going from

[00:37:52] would have been a really interesting way to heighten the stakes and show a sense of development

[00:37:56] every chapter where you're really seeing them upgrade their settlements gain new territory gain

[00:38:00] new allies in a way that the series just literally focuses on three people despite it being about

[00:38:04] unifying an entire country or taron like the thing with like him not blowing his cover maybe he

[00:38:10] would have fought with like his mentor in order to keep his cover and then that would be a whole thing

[00:38:15] yeah like it just would add a lot more to him as a character the reveal of her knowing would have

[00:38:21] been much more interesting and it would have been like oh i thought she was just this cute princess

[00:38:25] or empress and i keep calling her a princess because she doesn't feel like an empress honestly

[00:38:29] no but it would have felt like uh immediately our perspective on her switch is there too

[00:38:34] yeah i mean it just didn't feel like anyone was utilized well i mean and even the magic system i found

[00:38:41] confusing because it's like there's the magic where you know he can use the assassin rock magic stuff

[00:38:46] which is supposed to be super rare but then also there's this whole like manifestation of your soul

[00:38:51] into a sword system and i never really understood if everyone could do that or if it was just certain

[00:38:57] people and like why was it only the assassins could use the rock magic was it just that they

[00:39:02] were taught it and everyone could do it so that's when we hit the like teaching arc i didn't understand

[00:39:06] what they were being taught honestly now you say magic system i think you could argue there was no magic

[00:39:13] system there was just magic there was just magic magic that's sarah silverman gif that's the thing

[00:39:22] is like i feel like there could have been a really interesting and we've definitely seen other manga

[00:39:26] that are pretty much this idea actually executed in the ways that we wanted to as tyrian you've said

[00:39:30] that you just want to talk about a different manga it's like hey it's this but better so i know we're

[00:39:34] almost at that spot but why don't we get to miscellaneous thoughts and then we can actually dive

[00:39:38] into some things people should read instead of this series all right so to all kick things off with

[00:39:43] thoughts this kind of reminds me of the worst parts of slime reincarnation where they just have

[00:39:47] chapters of people just talking about things and nothing actually happens and a lot of people drop

[00:39:50] the series including myself yep and i was like holy shit i was like they were making these mistakes 20

[00:39:55] years ago it's like you can't just have people talking about doing things for six chapters and

[00:39:59] expect people to actually care about what's going on anymore now is slime reincarnation different

[00:40:03] from that time i got reincarnated as a slime i'll leave it to as a puzzle for the listener to figure

[00:40:08] that out i also was imagining one of the main characters just because there was that scene where you

[00:40:12] like had cooking and it was really terrible and imagine if the mc was like giga chatting he was

[00:40:16] like bro you suck at cooking that would have actually been something like an actual character

[00:40:20] moment though oh no did you have any miscellaneous thoughts i mean the thing for me i actually the

[00:40:25] most interesting character was the rival who showed up in like the last two chapters just because he was

[00:40:30] like so passionate and he had a drive to beat the other guy and all of a sudden he like had worked

[00:40:34] really hard and manifested the sword and it's like why is this character who i've known for a chapter

[00:40:39] more compelling than everything else you've written why did they have two separate bad guy

[00:40:43] wait why didn't they just bring the main bad guy back for that chapter if it was ending right it was

[00:40:47] very weird that he was just like chilling like over like watching what was happening like a villain

[00:40:54] yes chilling like a villain oh god yeah and yeah he that last guy had soul edge that was 100%

[00:41:01] nightmare like weapon yeah that was what i put in my notes i was like this is some soul caliber shit

[00:41:07] that was nightmare versus siegfried right there i mean this was made like 1999 that is not a

[00:41:13] coincidence that was like peak soul caliber yeah i also though maxi b has some really interesting

[00:41:19] thoughts where they said eo's design was reworked kyoko kurosaki and black cat who in turn was reused

[00:41:24] into a root this sort of recycling and reuse of characters is a bit of a staple of the author's work

[00:41:28] and uh we've definitely seen other things like um have you ever heard of omagodoki zoo no i have not

[00:41:34] have you heard of my hero academia yes so that series actually recycles the design of a gang orca

[00:41:40] and because he was like whoa this character is i was really good i gotta put in a not canceled manga

[00:41:46] he's right that that was a really good character design to his credit yeah but it's just funny how

[00:41:51] we were like wait we've seen this guy before yeah he just showed up in the middle of the manga i was

[00:41:55] like wait isn't that a character from my hero academia i love when they do that's so stupid um i mean

[00:42:01] fuji moto did that too weird naio is from a one shot he made oh in the decades since this has flopped

[00:42:06] it's become quite relevant again where spoiler alert this is actually a prequel to ayakashya uh

[00:42:13] ayakashi ayakashi triangle david i would have been really disappointed if you mispronounced triangle

[00:42:19] triangle um this is the actual spoilers it turns out that the main duo are the latest incarnation of

[00:42:25] the main characters of this series so we actually get some sort of ending and just spoiler that's good

[00:42:32] yeah this is like how uh the ending to batman beyond was just one episode of justice league

[00:42:39] unlimited yeah but yeah and then some bonus author trivia the author is a big fan of dragon ball and

[00:42:44] once won a contest for suggesting a fusion between gohan and trunks hopefully that was before goten and

[00:42:49] trunks fused that's really stupid you should not be winning an award for that whoa what if go what

[00:42:55] yeah seriously uh yabuki is go hanks also speaking of witch watch he is actually brothers in love with

[00:43:03] the offer of witch watch so i actually wonder if uran raj actually is making fun of this series

[00:43:08] oh my god god what a fucking small world that's amazing i love it and then early in their career

[00:43:14] asumo akimoto osamu akimoto yeah that one kuchikame fame praised how he drew curls encouraging

[00:43:22] him to keep working on them to the point where decades later it's literally what he's known for

[00:43:25] again we gotta stay in this series for not actually sexualizing women especially because she's like 14 or

[00:43:31] something i really wonder if he was like dude if i had put boobs in this series it would have been a hit

[00:43:35] he might have been right though given his other material he might have been right unfortunately but

[00:43:41] yeah as everybody and for those who don't know kuchikame is like the simpsons of shonen jump in that it

[00:43:47] was like a comedy that ran for like 30 fucking years yeah and then some volume extras include

[00:43:52] full page sketches of the major characters um and afterward and uh max b said that's it there's not

[00:43:57] a lot of meat on these bones nope does anyone have any other miscellaneous thoughts not really

[00:44:04] oh what this is just generic i don't know this was a manga all right so well then i think then it

[00:44:11] sounds like it's time for the final verse so let's get into that let's get started with our six

[00:44:15] stories from the community tucker says fuck this just read japanese history maxi b says ancient

[00:44:20] history quickly becomes ancient history boom dackerson yada yada yada japan was unified diego

[00:44:26] expecting more ecchi from the offer and reject story focus return to horny it seems that seems to be what

[00:44:33] he's good at i don't know yeah i mean he knows he knows his audience you gotta respect it dude rock

[00:44:37] says yabuki manga flopped back to horny glornak iron spot political drama but even more boring

[00:44:43] gray potter empress couldn't even unify a fan base oh that's that's savage oh boom captain

[00:44:48] clueless story ended with to be unified lord anubis the black cat crossed yamato's path portal man

[00:44:54] shogun games went downhill after this spubby a yabuki series where's the nudity and spike a try of

[00:45:00] are a try tries and aya fails oh that's a good one that's that's clever and then um tarim what was

[00:45:06] your six for summary so i took mine as more of a literal here's what the story is supposed to be

[00:45:11] about um as opposed to a funny like that's totally fine which it's more of an idealized what i wanted

[00:45:17] it to be so empress uses assassin to unite japan okay because that's what i would want it to be

[00:45:22] that's what i would have wanted it to be too but yeah jordan how about yours so imagine that i am

[00:45:27] taking my index finger and putting it to my temple as i say can't fight wars if they're dead

[00:45:34] god and then i had three um so you guys will have to let me know just because we didn't have a ton from

[00:45:38] the audience let me know which one is the best mine were please please please just stop talking

[00:45:43] and then in honor of the sundary motagnes my plot's boring on purpose baka and wanted historical fiction

[00:45:50] not historical fantasy so i know it's not the third like historical friction so those were mine i think

[00:45:55] the bako one's my favorite yeah yeah i agree but i also just like the the pure rage of please please

[00:46:02] please stop talking yeah i was listening to a lot of sabrina carpenter i'll do it anyway do we all feel

[00:46:07] this is a certified flop this was pretty bad yeah yes so taryn will you tell us and i know you've

[00:46:13] been here to say what is something someone should check out instead um so it's a shoujo not a shounen

[00:46:18] but i'm sorry i'm sorry you're not no i know i know i'm kicked out no no that's fine it's yona of

[00:46:25] the dawn we actually were on a podcast about that so jordan i've read that series i mean it's i mean

[00:46:31] number one it's still ongoing it's at like 42 volumes or something but just everything this

[00:46:36] attempts to do it does so much better because the the female lead um who is the lead of the entire

[00:46:43] series it it starts out with her living her normal life as a princess in her kingdom and in the first

[00:46:50] i don't know if it's the first chapter or second chapter all of a sudden her father is murdered by

[00:46:55] her childhood love who she thought she was going to grow up to marry who's actually i think he's like

[00:46:59] a distant cousin or something and then all of a sudden she's they're shooting at her trying to kill

[00:47:03] her she's going on the run she leaves with her other childhood friend and so now immediately she

[00:47:09] has to figure out like can she get her country back she's fleeing she's having to interact with all of

[00:47:14] the other countries and they are all actually explored they all have different unique fighting

[00:47:19] styles she learns how to fight throughout this process she has hawk who's the male lead train her

[00:47:24] and there's also like magic and fantasy elements because there's the kingdom that she runs was

[00:47:30] started by this sort of ancient dragon king and so there were four dragons that supported him and so

[00:47:37] the whole thing is is she the reincarnation of this famous king and so there's these people who

[00:47:42] manifest these dragon powers and so there's four of them and she has to go around and find them and

[00:47:48] gather their strength and they themselves are essentially the equivalent of like an entire army

[00:47:52] so there are army battles in this there's scenes where she's has to work with people who were her

[00:47:57] enemies or people who were her friends or suddenly her enemies it just it does everything better like

[00:48:02] as a female character she is leaps and bounds above you um hawk i think is a more successful

[00:48:09] shion because he's he's not an assassin but he is now essentially positioned to have to murder his former

[00:48:15] best friend to get her her kingdom back oh it's just there's so much more like intrigue within the

[00:48:22] characters yes like you and you care about them and then all of these different dragons that she's

[00:48:26] collecting have this special bond with her so there's also like a romantic drama the unfortunate

[00:48:31] thing is because it's a shoujo people constantly call it a romance and there is a romance plot to

[00:48:36] it but like it's a subplot just like romance is a subplot in like so many shonen jump series

[00:48:40] um like black clover and like you knew yasha kind of right like well like black clover fairy tale all

[00:48:46] have tons of romance right like if the girl's a main character then it's a romance i don't know what

[00:48:52] to tell you that's just that's the rules i don't make them it's like it's my constant struggle that's

[00:48:57] why i read a kanibanashi for the romance yeah my favorite thing is uh to make videos where i call

[00:49:04] like shonen series romance like hell's paradise is a romance because his whole plot is saving his wife

[00:49:08] like you can't argue otherwise that's that's what it is like that's his whole goal in life yeah so

[00:49:13] like it's it's a very long series it's still ongoing so you definitely have time to catch up but

[00:49:17] it's just if you like the base plot of this it does it 12 times better can you do me a favor and

[00:49:23] and make a video arguing how evangelion is a romance i haven't seen that but i could watch it and do it

[00:49:29] go you should uh well because i the other day on my netflix it had the newest naruto movie in the

[00:49:36] romance section so i've i've been like collecting data to just do the biggest like series on why every

[00:49:43] shonen jump like if yana of the dawn is a romance here are all these other series that are too

[00:49:47] yeah it's like it's like the whole arguing that everything's an isekai thing except it's romance

[00:49:53] right exactly oh man speaking of netflix the evangelion new dub people kind of hated it because

[00:49:59] like they replaced the iconic characters but like i judge both dubs you know what yeah the old one is

[00:50:04] iconic uh but the new one is better i'm sorry that's how i feel about the sailor moon ones

[00:50:09] yeah like dubbing in the 90s was a lot worse well they also changed a lot i love how chill chuck

[00:50:16] aka chucklefuck and shinji have the same voice actor really yeah i've been watching dungeon meshi i like

[00:50:21] it so shinji voices chucklefuck i actually call him chucklefuck so much that my friend actually

[00:50:26] thought that was his name in dungeon meshi for a long time yeah uh my recommendation is the elusive

[00:50:32] samurai which is much the same the last surviving thing of like an a clan trying to unify japan build his

[00:50:38] army so it's essentially what i want out of this where it's him kind of starting from scratch getting

[00:50:41] his allies having wars uh it's a fun series an anime i think started or starting soon so you can just

[00:50:46] check that out it has some uneasy there's a character who's pretty much a pedophile in it that i really

[00:50:50] don't like so i'm hoping the anime toned it down by the way it's a pretty good read and it's by the guy

[00:50:54] who made assassination classroom oh my recommendation is a manga that is the complete opposite of this manga

[00:51:01] in every single way and david that's berserk which is speaking of positivity speaking of positivity

[00:51:08] that's the it's all the positivity reverse for berserk it is an extremely brutal manga do i have to explain

[00:51:16] berserk to you no do i have to explain berserk to you listener it's berserk it's really good

[00:51:23] not a hot take not a hot take at all but the coldest take i can think of i think

[00:51:28] all right well then i guess jordan though this since this is certified flop is this the worst thing

[00:51:33] we've ever read no no it's bad it's not not the worst thing we read is this the worst manga you've

[00:51:39] ever read in your life no uh we've all lived very blessed lives what is what would you say is the

[00:51:44] worst thing you've ever read i mean there's some things i've read i really don't like age gaps

[00:51:50] they're bad yeah yeah well like if it's an appropriate adult age gap that's fine the thing i don't

[00:51:55] like is being caught off guard by an age gap and it is a very common thing to not mention it in the

[00:52:00] description um so when i do actually read the summary and it's like oh this is a cute romance

[00:52:04] between like a tech ceo and a employee whatever but it's like the employee is actually a 14 year old

[00:52:11] intern or something oh god um so a lot of that like so i can't think of like a specific title on the top

[00:52:17] of my head but it's a lot of that where it's like you're enjoying something and then all of a sudden

[00:52:21] you're really not what's like the most recent terrible manga that you've read besides this can

[00:52:27] you remember well yeah i'm trying to think of what the title is um it's essentially a rape fantasy oh

[00:52:34] cool yeah it's framed as like a villainous isekai so i was really excited for it i thought i was going

[00:52:40] to love it and it starts out where she is engaged to the prince he wants to leave her so she magically

[00:52:48] drugs him ties him up to a bed um oh jesus sleeps with him and the whole time is using language that's

[00:52:56] like framing her actions as good and uses like rape apology language saying like oh he you know

[00:53:04] finished so he enjoyed it so he it's not a bad thing so that was really bad i can't think it's

[00:53:10] something is like all it's something titled like i'll have my way with you or something before you

[00:53:15] discard me we might have to put a trigger warning in this episode well and the thing is that there's

[00:53:20] no warning about this in the description yeah at all so you go in thinking you're gonna read like a

[00:53:25] pretty standard like romance story where the woman's exiled or something and instead you are reading along

[00:53:30] with the protagonist you're supposed to sympathize with someone i mean and then he gets revenge and

[00:53:35] stuff so it's all over a mess but it's just like was bad oof well definitely people should not check

[00:53:41] that out no yeah no shall we get to wrap up let's do it taryn i want to say thank you so much for

[00:53:48] joining us today we had an absolute blast thank you again isekai sensei brad for uh recommending you

[00:53:53] where can people find more of the awesome content you're making thanks and thanks for recommending

[00:53:57] me um so i pretty much post on tiktok and instagram it's all at manga underscore lila i do a lot of

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[00:54:10] publishers will send me things so i'll review what they sent me but pretty much i just post about

[00:54:14] stuff i'm buying or i'll post like shopping vlogs and then i review what i like or people ask me for

[00:54:20] reviews opinions on things so tiktok and instagram are where i post heck yeah and we'll be sure to

[00:54:25] include links to those in the show notes perfect and then jordan i want to say thank you for making

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[00:55:37] i have not it is a manga that the uh translator quit oh no it is about japanese word puzzles

[00:55:47] oh no imagine trying to translate that yeah uh this is by the author by the way of the uh mondagari

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