#109 Super Dog Rilienthal (Ft. Streamer Tess aka strongBadEgirl)

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[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_05]: What's up floppers?

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So this episode you may be noticing somebody isn't here.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah that's right, David had to go do some shit somewhere, whatever so we got Dylan

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_05]: here today!

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah!

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah!

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Dylan's the new David!

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like what would happen if David just you know decided he wanted to become more

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: of a burnout and grow out his hair and also have his voice drop an octave.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I was gonna say you're like David if he, you know instead of helium there's that other gas

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_05]: that makes your voice really fucking low.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It freezes your vocal cords right?

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I almost just said Sonya Pentathal but that's a truth serum so I can't fucking remember.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Well if we gave it to you you would have gotten the right chemical.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah!

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like something hexachloride, I don't know I saw Adam Savage use it one time.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway welcome to this episode of Shonen Flop where we talk about manga and shonen

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: jump that didn't make it big.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Dylan.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jordan!

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Next week, David and Jordan will be covering hands.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Hands!

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh I see!

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay that is hand apostrophe S by the way.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Hand possessive.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It is possessive hands not plural hands though there's probably gonna be at least two hands

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: in the manga.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Well then they should have made it hands apostrophe.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: They should have, then it'd be handses if depending on how you want to put them

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever whatever.

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[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But this week we are talking about super dog Rilliant Hall and we are joined by our

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: guest Tessa.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome!

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello Dylan Jordan thank you so much for having me.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for coming.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_04]: It is a pleasure.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So Tessa tell us a little bit about yourself.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_04]: My name is Tessa Strong or Strong Bad Eagle.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a Twitch streamer under that name.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you very much for the recognition.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes I am from Rhode Island.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I am living now in Philadelphia and I am a lifelong fan of comics, a miserable wee

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: but and an armchair linguist which makes me uniquely qualified to discuss failed

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_04]: manga series.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I was gonna say that is a perfect combination of God I can't think of any words today

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_05]: of skills a perfect combination of skills to be on this podcast.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for coming on.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you very much for having me.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's get into the manga details of super dog Rilliant Hall.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_05]: So Tucker had something to say where he was pretty sure that the TH sound comes from

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Neanderthal but Tessa you were giving us a different theory on the name.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Indeed well when I when I was first assigned to read this manga a few months ago the

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_04]: name sounded familiar to me and for some reason I kept wanting to say Lillian

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_04]: fall so I investigated it is it is probably super nice Lillian tall and

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Lillian tall is a German surname made famous by one Otto Lillian tall who was

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Prussian inventor in the late 19th century famous for developing heavier

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: than air gliding craft and proving that heavier than air flight was a

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: theoretical possibility before the Wright brothers did their thing.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So really in fall as a character is tangentially associated with the

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: concept of invention.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah he's called a device I don't want to necessarily think too hard about

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: what that implies but yeah I'm guessing what happened is that the author of

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: the manga named the character really in tall or Lillian tall and because R

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: and L are aliphones in Japanese meaning they code for the same phoneme

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: right he just put the letter R on Lillian tall's bandana and so then

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: when the manga was localized localizer made the very reasonable decision of

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: just naming the character really in tall so that the first letter of his name

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: would match the letter on his bandana.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that makes a lot of sense especially because like we were all

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of stumped but like yeah non plus non plus exactly yeah according to

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Tucker though the title which is actually um

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_05]: cash koi ken yeah Lillian thought it thank you it is actually cash koi

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_05]: ken Rillian taru yes when you use cash koi to refer to a person it means

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: smarter clever but when referring to a pet it means well behaved or trained so

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: there you go there you go everybody that is a very clever double meaning yes

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: is something you notice on the first page of most of the chapters where

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like the splash page or whatever it will say clever dog or smart dog

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_05]: that's true but anyway back to uh the details on this manga this was

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_05]: written by diskay ashihara notable people they had as assistants oh my god e pay

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_05]: go to of hi-fi cluster uh are you familiar with hi-fi cluster tessa only by

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_04]: refute i don't actually know any details about it it sucks oh

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_04]: it's terrible oh okay i thought you were gonna tell me that it was an

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: incredible hit and you're you were shocked to learn that they had

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: worked on really in fall no i was shocked because wow that sucks

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_05]: are these all art assistants by the way i don't know they may be art some maybe

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: people who have assisted with writing it could be anywhere that they've been

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_05]: you know just on the same ticket yeah also though notable here is a hiroki tomisawa

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: of super smartphone tessa have you heard of super smartphone i have not heard of

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: super smartphone is it a link because you've talked about it on this podcast before we have

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: what do you think it's about is it about kid with super powers that he executes through his

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: smartphone no it's about a kid who has a super smartphone oh you were overthinking it you gave

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: it too much complexity this may be coming from the sorts of manga i see more often but yeah i was

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: imagining him channeling some sort of a power through the screen my mistake it's just a

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_05]: character he has a smartphone with like super google on it basically oh it's not even sapient

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just a very good smartphone it may be sapient in that it can predict exactly what information

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: is required for a given situation wow that sounds like an eminently convenient plot device for a

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_05]: manga series you'd be surprised it's like death note if nobody died basically i'm imagining

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: an iteration where light yagami just writes down the names of people he doesn't like and

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_05]: nothing happens oh god other people this guy had his assistants were a shinichiro oe of

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_05]: hero caesar chan never heard of it and kenta suchida of toge toge ever heard of that i think

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_05]: that sounds familiar i don't know but other things that dice gay asahara has done are uh well he did

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: world trigger which is apparently very popular yeah running presently yeah now when i see people

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: getting into arguments about manga on twitter i have not seen world trigger come up yet but

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe it's it's only been running for 11 years maybe it's still on its ascendancy hey you

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe it'll get there someday but no that's one of those manga where like i've seen it written

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: places like i've every now and then i'll see someone mention it but i know nothing about it

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: but apparently it's a big hit that's the same exposure i've had based on the fact that i've

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: never heard anyone stand super hard on it or hate on it too much i'm gonna guess it's just

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_04]: like on the positive side of it's all right it's got a cult following maybe if it can run

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: because i i imagine that you guys understand the mechanics of a series success in weekly jump

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: better than i do i know that there is a popularity survey in every issue and that series need to

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_04]: stay off the bottom ranks of that survey to not get canceled it is complicated oh man we read this

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_05]: manga one time that was like how jump is made where they talk to like editors in bakaman no

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_05]: that's a good manga that would not be on our show no this was um uh it's about this guy who has

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_05]: a head in the shape of an egg and he's talking to the editors of shown and jump and at one point

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_05]: i believe they say uh i think the popularity test somewhat matters but like they don't really

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_05]: take it into account it matters until it doesn't basically mm-hmm it only matters if they want

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah also they mentioned that they are intentionally sexist no shit yeah they're so open about it he's

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_05]: like so i know there are no women here uh you want to have a have you thought of changing that they're

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_05]: like why would we put a woman in the shown and jump magazine uh hello shonen jump it's not

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_05]: shojo jump yeah we want to make it more manly but also us guys we know how to appeal girls

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_04]: with our manga it is like oh okay sure okay something i remember from reading bakuman which

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: just to give the listener some contact it's by oba and obata the same writing artist air that

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_04]: made death note but unlike death note it is a relatively cheerful story about two boys whose

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: dream is to be serialized and shown and jump and something that series made clear was just how

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_04]: much influence the editor you are assigned has on the direction and content of your manga yes oh yeah

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and when i learned that the single chapter of death note that contains a naked woman in the

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_04]: shower made sense to me for the first time so let me ask you something uh have you ever heard

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_05]: of hunter's guild red hood i have not please so this is a manga where the first few chapters

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_05]: are like they're following uh the main character who's teamed up with this a woman named red

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: one of the thickest women to ever be drawn to show to jump and i praise jesus oh it's amazing the

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_05]: arts fantastic it's amazing it is impressive no cap but anyway at one point he just leaves

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_05]: goes on a boat and there's an exam arc and it destroys the momentum of the entire

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_05]: fucking comic so in the last few chapters a character walks up to red and is like what happened

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_05]: you used to be a better character that's going on and then the whole thing just evolves into this

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_05]: extremely meta situation where it can be easily read as the author lashing out at his editor

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_05]: and blaming him for the manga going downhill so yeah that's what i think whenever anybody talks

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_05]: about editors uh but hey we're not talking about red hoodie you can listen to that episode

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_05]: that's another episode we're talking about super dog really in fall this ran for 32 chapters and it

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: had an epilogue did was it was the epilogue also released in weekly jumper was that like serialization

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_05]: only it says 32 chapters plus epilogue i'm not sure yeah i don't know what that means yeah did we

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_03]: read the did we read it did we read the epilogue the epilogue is tutsuko's grade school

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_04]: graduation okay yeah and we did then we did yeah that was that was chapter it's listed as 33 on the

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_05]: website oh yeah yeah yeah you're right you're right here let's get into the plot description though

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: the he knows sibling tutsuko and ani wait for their parents to return from a trip when someone

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_04]: approaches with a box saying that they're not coming instead they're getting a new little

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: brother who is actually in this very box his name is really in fall and he is an intelligent

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_04]: walking dog on he accepts him pretty quickly but tutsuko doesn't because she doesn't want the family

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: to be weird on the bus ride home they're attacked by men in black looking for something called rd1

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_04]: really in fall starts glowing and suddenly a little girl's book about the ocean comes to life

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: the entire bus is submerged in the abyss as a sea monster attacks brilliant fall is rd1 what i know

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_04]: it's shocking even though they found his box and said i think rd1 was in this box and his

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_04]: power is to take people's innermost desires and make them real i think kind of eventually by calming

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: down the little girl they're able to return to the real world tutsuko then knocks out the bad guys

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: with kung fu and ani dismantles their guns because she is a martial arts master and he is a

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: mechanical jeep they exit the bus to find that they landed right outside their house next tutsuko

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: who refuses to go to school wants to dodge her teacher so a bunch of steps open up in the

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: house leading them way past where it should end while watching tv ani feels bad that brilliant

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: fall is alone and so the main character of the show they're watching lightning mitzahiko pops out

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_04]: of the tv he's followed by gomizo a balloon soldier who is mitzahiko's enemy a fight ensues

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and gomizo ends up being rd1 in fall's friend as mitzahiko also his friend goes back to the

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: tv world popcorn jordan akira one of the men in black from earlier who i forgot to mention

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_05]: comes by to try and kidnap rd1 in fall again but rd1 in fall and tutsuko are having a super

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_05]: cat drawing contest where like they're both drawing weird cats and then they're like no my cat's

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: stronger my cat would beat your cat my cat has laser beams that make you go to sleep well my cat

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_05]: will eat anything and can't sleep yeah and of course due to really in fall's power as they come

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_05]: to life long story short akira ends up being flown back home with a new friend space cat

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_05]: ania tutsuko's next door neighbors twins sakura and yuki come over to welcome them back and yuki

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_05]: tells tutsuko a scary story about a haunted ship suddenly tutsuko ani really in fall and sakura

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_05]: are transported to a haunted ship where they meet a young ghost girl named marie marie they marie

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_05]: marie get over yeah really in fall invites her to live in their house so they just have

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: a ghost living at their house from this point on it happens a lot oh hey you seem like

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you'd be fun to have around here live in our infinite house i have stuff to say about that

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_05]: ania is then kidnapped by shinshin low rise the men in black shinshin really involved play chess

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_05]: against each other for the fate of rd1 they play very poorly ending in a draw they become

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_05]: friendly rivals and smirk at each other really in fall goes to the library to get books on

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_05]: chess so he can get better at it when tutsuko runs into usami who gets incredibly jealous

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_05]: since she is there with sakura who she has a crush on usami tells tutsuko that she is weird

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_05]: which leads to a massive giant coming to attack tutsuko gomizo sacrifices himself to protect

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_05]: really in fall and it is revealed that tutsuko is the source of this giant she grew up going on

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_05]: trips with her parents and they spent a lot of time living and foraging in the jungle so when

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_05]: she finally went to school she just ate a bug and everyone thought that was weird and she

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_05]: felt real bad about that and stopped going to school so now being called weird is like her biggest

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_05]: fear this uh the giant then disappears back home really in fall creates a new magic room

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_05]: which can create rooms if you draw them on paper first and they can connect to anywhere if you

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_05]: can picture them clearly it is complicated the hino families that attacked by reichiro

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and his servant ulga who worked for the men in black reichiro hates adi who has no clue

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_05]: the fuck he is because they were both child prodigies who went to college at a young age and

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: people said oni was smarter than him oni attempts to go kick their asses and call truce next really

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_05]: in fall still devastated over gomizo his best friend and so decides to go into lightning

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_05]: mitzuhiko's world to get the evil witch kanarin to fix him this is complicated and this is a

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: long plot summary popcorn dylan lightning mitzuhiko takes him to kanarin and she is total

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: down bad goblin mode for mitzuhiko but mitzuhiko or both of them really have zero goddamn game and

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: zero they are both they're not getting each other's signals it is way out he goes volle cell i think

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what that might be it he's like on my vows it's like a paladin that tracks actually

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah yeah he's a paladin or mitzuhiko only has eyes for justice justice thank you

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_05]: haha justice which is the eighth deadly sin that's right okay kanarin agrees to fix gomizo as long as

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: like as long as lightning mitzuhiko can stay with her and willy and tall is happy as long as he knows

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that gomizo is safe so he returns to his world soon the boss of the men in black appears and he

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: is fucking crazy powerful and magic and shit crazy just fucking like teleports and he has

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: these technological scars on his face like he's the elusive man yeah he's got black holes and shit

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_04]: goes zero to 60 very quickly oh yes i wonder if someone might not have indicated to all the author

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that his series was about to end and that he should wrap it up the boss of the men in black

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: injures space cat and captures really in tall fucking dare they taking him back to his space

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: pocket dimension headquarters where he reveals that really tells brother rd zero it was like a

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: weird black mass yeah it's kind of kind of akira yeah kind of akira and akira abomination i would say

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: this is tatsuo sort of yeah he gave the boss immortality by combining together they will rule

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the world in i don't know human instrumentality maybe kind of got third impact vibes i don't

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: know i didn't even get anything that precise drumhead i just yeah just not just kind of rule

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: the world honestly like this to bring us back beyond our mortal shell yeah to the next level

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: where yin and yang are one yeah he does talk about like ascending humanity the thread is not exceptionally

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: well defined not quite the gang gets on a bus sitting outside their house from chapter one

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: which was sitting there the whole damn time and it turns into a magic spaceship sadly without

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: miss frizzle yeah they travel to the bosses headquarters a very complicated fight that kind

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: of jumps all over the place happens everyone is there including space cat and lightning mitzahiko

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: some guys that were like a background character in four other panels show up and they've got guns

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and are now helping there are no background characters in super dog really in fall

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone gets to participate it is true everyone participates everyone is instrumental

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: can rain even gives yuki powers and weird little devil horn hats sure because she gets

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: devil horns all the time and then hats appear on them it's weird yeah and tetsuko summons the

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: giant from earlier who was the spirit of her i don't know self loathing i guess but it punches

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the boss to death because originally it was a black demon and now it was a white demon because

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_04]: black is bad and white is good that's kind of gross oh boy that's uh i was imagining a sort of

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: murky blue and then the latter one just glowing if we want to move it away from a frame of reference

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_04]: well there's no color it's a manga that's a better way to look at it i'm gonna go with that

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a much more generous way to look at it and then the administrative head of the men in

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: mr. subane who hasn't really been mentioned before but was totally there the whole time is

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: given control of the men in black and then the boss just fucking dies during the up long test

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: code graduates from elementary school by the way she was an 11 year old who was strong enough to

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: rip steel cables out of a wallet let we'll get into that later yeah and she smiles for the

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: first time thank god good for her also uh rd stands for like realized device realization device

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because he makes it real yeah he makes it real and he makes one thing real rd zero makes nothing

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: real so yin and yang i was unclear on the distinction now it should be reification device

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_04]: that's neither here nor there i was unclear on the distinction between rd zero's capacities versus

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: rd ones we can talk about that when we talk about the end more generally it's almost like that

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: whole section was very unclear and confusing honestly the summary despite being all over

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: the place still made more sense than the manga most of the time boom take that author there is a

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: page where there's a few panels from one of the final pages of the manga which i screenshot

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_04]: it when i was reading it it seemed very apt the boss looking back and forth across the fight

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: with all of these characters and he thinks what in the world is happening yeah i i often found

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: myself asking that as well it shows it shows the balloon soldier and the stupid little cartoon

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_04]: dog rillian thaw right i got a no rillian thaw is not a normal dog like i got the impression i don't

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_04]: know was your impression that he looked the way that dogs in this world usually look you know they

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_04]: didn't draw any other dogs no there's no other dogs i was waiting for them to so i got no fucking clue

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_05]: so here's the thing they didn't draw any other dogs but they did have a real cat at one point

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_05]: just in like one panel it's all curled up and adorable right and the cat looked real real cat

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_05]: right the cat looked real so i can only assume that the dogs in that world look real right like when

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_04]: they are leaving the airport in the opening chapter tetsuko says who was embarrassed at the

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_04]: prospect of having a talking dog his younger brother says to pretend that really infalls a

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: stuffed animal as opposed to just being their dog which kind of suggests that he looks chibi

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: like that in real life he's got his is the lips oh god is he the stupid duck face though oh no yeah

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_04]: the fucking duck face perpetually pouting he's always puckering his lips and that even includes

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_04]: when he smiles which contorts his smile into this sort of leer that tetsuko and myself both

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_01]: reacted negatively to it makes me feel uh yeah i'm really good what's the phrase he's constantly

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: mewing is that the what oh you don't know what mewing is i i guess not i it's a sound that cats

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: make mewing is a face reconstruction technique that involves keeping your tongue on the roof

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_05]: your mouth change your jaw lines shape i want to say it's like a new manosphere way to make

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_05]: you to give you a chad chin oh it's a man thing i think i have no idea i've only ever seen

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: people dunking on uh selfies of people that are doing that so i've got no idea yeah but that could

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: very possibly be what really in fall was doing he wants to give himself that masculine jaw oh yeah

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: you know how the ladies loved a dog for a character who is as prominent in the narrative as he is

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: we don't necessarily get a lot of information about like his goal no well his his goal is just

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: to be a little brother i guess it's true he's good and sweet and he has the most pure heart which is

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: why every time he interacts with a villain he can't possibly bear to do anything bad to them

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and every antagonist is immediately won over and decides to join the hino family side and in many

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_04]: occasions live with them oh yeah and we'll be discussing that in a bit i groaned when wilbur

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_02]: showed up uh shinchi wilbur showed up and said well we were kicked out of the organization

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: can we live with you would you would she never gets a name like no they do they almost name it

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_04]: they almost fucking name it they're not even willing to commit to it when they say it though

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: wilbur is telling them about the organization they're like what's it called he says it has no

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_04]: name but also i've heard it called the organization of the third will yeah you're right

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: they don't commit to that they don't stick to that because they don't stick to anything

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: that might characterize the organization in a more concrete way that would keep them from

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: using it as a blanket plot device anytime they need sticks who's the organization everybody

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: where do they operate everything what do they do secret stuff it's like they're literally the

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_05]: men in black that was kind of it like they're that's just just vague they're just the men

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: they use the word alien eventually that one the prodigy kid who has a one-sided rivalry with

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_04]: ani whose name i just wrote down his shin bowl but that's just his family name and his reichiro

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_04]: i think was given a name in the summer yeah reichiro in the finale he's like well i joined this

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: organization because i thought it was going to be prestigious but now that i've met the boss i

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_04]: see that he's some sort of weird alien creature and that's the only time they use the word

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: alien so maybe it has something to do with alien except he wasn't originally an alien

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: he was only that after absorbing rd zero he was just a dude he was just an old guy i don't know

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_04]: what word they used usually alien is uchujin which does mean a person from outer space which wouldn't

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: fit with the boss because he's a human he just used i mean i don't know maybe rd one and zero are

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_04]: extraterrestrial in origin that would have been something you've been nice if they elaborate on

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_05]: that instead they're just like a certain scientist in a certain lab had creation it's so strange that

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: tetsuko and ani's parents never appear right oh they never show up that was our guesses it's like

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_04]: we really in thal's chief character relationship except for the extent to which he sort of establishes

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_04]: one with tetsuko just by being her younger brother and externalizing all of her worst fears which

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_04]: isn't necessarily super constructive no his strongest character relationship is with their

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: father because he's like oh i was alone on the concrete floor and then profeheno saved me that's

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_05]: definitely what he sounds like when he talks oh absolutely yeah when y'all signed me this manga

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_04]: to read months ago i was helping a friend move and i had it open on my laptop and i kept on

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_04]: reading really infallin lines in that voice and pissing her off it's either that voice or

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: hey i'm really a dog it's one or the other i was reading it as gilbert gothfried so kind of like

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the squawky little guy that he is but honestly nice to meet you good gilbert gothfried thank you

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: voice acting is a passion of mine nice oh man but yeah we're supposed to be talking about the

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_05]: characters right now sorry everybody i'll name it's not here so like we're gonna be a little

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_05]: off track so like the only person who went to business school is not here so the whole

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_05]: structures fall in the fuck apart we already talked about really though let's talk about tetsukau

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: indeed so yeah tetsuko who is the world's strongest and most foul mouth 11 year old

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: is the foul mouthedness native to the original script or is that a contrivance of the local

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: i'm really curious about that i want to take a look at that probably not because in the first

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: chapter i'm fairly certain she dropped a fuckbomb she definitely says shit they say shit a lot

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: they say shit a lot i'm pretty certain she dropped a fuckbomb there are fucking shits all over this

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: fucking manga yeah she is honestly i feel like she's the real main character absolutely you are

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: correct yes absolutely 100% yeah she she's someone that undergoes the most actual growth and change

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: as a character while the rest of them receive elaboration on who they are yeah she's a

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: self-loathing little kid who decides who who grows up and eventually smiles and hold on i tried

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: to do the math and i lost my notes on that for exactly how strong she is because she was tied up

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to a wall at one point with a steel cable that could hold over 2000 pounds now the steel cable

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that's fine uh she didn't break the steel cable when she broke free she ripped concrete anchors

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: out of the wall yes which is like way easier not necessarily because easy right you guys can't do

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: that the wall came off in chunks as opposed to her ripping the anchors out of the wall

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_04]: the chunk of wall she was chained to came off and now i don't i'm not a stem major so i can't

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_04]: comment on how much force would be required so you got the square cube law first of all with

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: the amount of force being applied to the anchors because you know two anchors i don't know i could

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: say and she could probably lift a bus that's about a rough guess probably i mean i mean you know

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_05]: based on what she did probably um because she just kind of flexed a little that's all she did

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: she released like one percent of her power it was very shonen oh in a series that is otherwise

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_05]: mostly about a funny cartoon animal she has the power of a early dragon ball goku basically yeah

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: has seen dragon ball voice yes i agree

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah i think that tetsuko is absolutely the most well-realized character yes um and and the

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_04]: core character relationship of the series which is a wash with characters is really just uh

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: tetsuko and really in thought she's very serious and he's very silly and she uh wants to be perceived

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_04]: normally and he is a ridiculous creature i will say like at first i didn't really like her the more

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_05]: i got of her backstory i warmed up to her i started like liking her more i understood her more see

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_04]: i liked her instantly because i also was creeped out by the design yeah she has an immediately

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_04]: negative reaction to how he looks that's fair that's very fair i do wonder whether the character

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_04]: of ani because uh it's actually mentioned in our notes that ani is kind of a non-name for an

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_04]: older brother character older brother aniki i do wonder if ani was always even a character

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: or whether it wasn't just going to be a story about a very serious young girl and her magical

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: talking dog and if somebody at jump didn't say to the author it now you gotta get a

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: get a good boy in here come on what are you talking about yeah because he doesn't do anything

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: he has no internal conflict the whole point of chapter three where lightning mitziko comes out

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_04]: of the television is that they leave really in fall at home with ani because ani has no inner life

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and so none of his personal demons possibly be manifest through the power of really in fall

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_05]: if ani was a woman it would be a misogynistic depiction you know what i mean the the

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: homemaking non-character who just kind of exists yeah yeah not a great characterization that's the

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: whole thing the only time they tried to even develop him was when um the the rival shows up

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and's like well this is exactly how smart you were when you graduated college at 11 years old

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and ani doesn't know him i did think it was i did think that was kind of funny it was just

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_05]: like ani has no clue who the fuck this guy is he legitimately does it it is like he forgot they

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: weren't in fucking school together that chapter is also one of i believe only two times that ani

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_04]: actually uses his school power that he has yes like tetsuko is very strong ani's thing

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: as introduced in the opening chapter is that he can dismantle any machine he dismantles the

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_04]: guns that the bad guys have in the first chapter because this manga has a hard time with

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: proportionality of stakes and yeah he he dismantles uh shin young master shindo's weirdo aircraft uh let

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: me confirm that that is his name yes it's shindo it's shindo you got it and as i have notes here

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_04]: in a little leather bound notebook oh cool yeah i carried around with me in public so i can appear

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_05]: extremely insufferable the stranger is it a moleskin yeah nice i went to art school i know

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_05]: all about the moleskin yeah i also went to art school that's one of exactly two times i don't

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: know that he even uses his power in the finale because i don't maybe he busts open the machine

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_05]: housing rd zero he does i think he does i'm pretty sure that he does of course three times

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_05]: the ending is very confusing so i understand if you miss something i remembered it being

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_04]: busted open i did not recall who took responsibility for that event in fact dylan do you think

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_05]: you could talk about uh some aspects of this series that uh might have led to it uh failing

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: are you saying we should move on to why it failed yes so why this fail this is a very interesting

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: series with i'm fairly certain there was an editorial change at some point regarding this

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that made the tone shift kind of massively at one point because this series is a very inconsistent

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: not only they with the translation that we had but yeah um the overall tone story because the

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: first handful i'd say like five or so maybe five to seven chapters it was very like almost like a pbs

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: kids show yeah that's a good comparison and then suddenly are you thinking of the ghost story

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: starting in chapter six or i yeah yeah i think that's probably where it started to actually

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: have some more mature elements child who's starved to death alone at sea yeah i love the idea

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_05]: that they went to the author and were like you gotta make this like a little darker so he's like

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_05]: all right well child death fucking child death ghost story how about that child death ghost

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: story and then adding further to the character bloat oh indeed oh i would characterize it as

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_04]: narrative plots um every story adds a new character or a new feature to the plot like

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_04]: the bus or the stairs that lead to nowhere in the house that reappears in every subsequent story

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that it's it's not enough that we have this this funny thing about space cap and now space cat is

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_04]: permanently tagging along with one of the not quite antagonists the ghost and her doll are living

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_04]: here now we're gonna have some uh whole chapter we'll just play around with her ghost powers

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_04]: wilbur wants to play chess and now he's shown up every five seconds yeah the neighbors in

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_04]: shindu and olga and rillian falls flyer and like lightning mitsiko and the fucking balloon

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: soldier who can't even talk and i thought when the balloon soldier was popped when it was destroyed

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_04]: during the tetsuko trauma arc i was like oh that makes perfect sense maybe somebody had a word with

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_04]: the author and let him know the character count was getting a little too high he decided a balloon

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_04]: soldier was like maybe the most disposable character in the cast but then the balloon

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: soldier is resurrected thereafter yeah it is absolutely nuts how this author really had

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: no restraint i think if they condensed all of the characters into there are 10 characters maybe

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: who all get their own individual pages and yeah names and very minor characterization if they

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: condensed that into i don't know maybe three or four probably would have helped a lot because oh

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: boy that was a lot with especially the art style making it hard at times to differentiate

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_05]: who was doing or saying what well it's also like you can have characters show up and then not

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_01]: have them live in their house no impossible everyone has to move into the house they all

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: have to be relevant in every single chapter except for mori who only shows up like this

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_04]: i groaned when wilbur the gentleman showed back up and said we're moving in

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: i not only found his characterization extremely tiresome and like a juvenile it's like oh i'm

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_04]: i'm a gentleman i enjoy the finer things but also he is the most prominent narrative representative

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_04]: of the organization which was the aspect of the series which i liked the least oh god yeah yeah

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the organization was extremely ill-defined ill-defined and it felt like overall just a waste yeah

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: however he was from the european branch which they described as a bunch of lazy fancy boys

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_04]: he had lightning shaped hair even though he's not lightning mitzvahiko that's a different

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_05]: character who does not have lightning shaped hair it just feels like his whole thing was so

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_05]: fucking vaguely vaguely defined like everything else like i did however he had a lot of lines and

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: i kept imagining them being read in like the uh team four star version of cooler in that particular

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_04]: voice i know what you mean when you're talking about um how rapidly introduced characters in the

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: early theory and also that it's okay for minor characters to be minor especially with how

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_04]: episodic this series is the beginning think about something like bleach which are early on

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_04]: before it just becomes a manga about every man fighting every other man uh early on works

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_04]: hard to establish that sort of monster of the weak formula yeah here's our main character

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: here's rukia she's living with him he has a family whatever their minor characters he has a

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_04]: friend and he has a love interest and there's various people at school these are our characters

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_04]: now that we've established the characters here's a ghost here's a ghost he has to fight them he has

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_04]: to do the thing and it like chapter by chapter introduces additional wrinkles to the premise

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: but not full additional characters yeah that is a much better way to approach a an ensemble based

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: medium than every single chapter introducing new people not developing on them and then

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: forcing them into this already stuffed sausage casing until the ends start to leak

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_05]: also speaking of vaguely defined i was so confused by really involved powers a lot of the time

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_05]: like at first it's like um oh the powers happen and then uh they disappear and it's over but then

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_05]: they have that room in their house that was like created by really and thought is like

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_05]: just a magical room and that's there the whole time yeah and the ghost that he

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: creates is there the whole time and and even though he created her because like i don't know

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: whether or not ghosts are supposed to be real in the fiction of this story but certainly that was

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: not the real ghost from the story that was a story that was invented by or that was a ghost

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: that was invented by really and false power and yet somebody i think yuki talks about it's like oh

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_04]: are we sure we want to hang out with her she she killed people yeah yeah no she didn't it was

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_03]: it was imaginary it was in soccer's imagination yeah the for example the wind someone confronts

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the whatever reason for the thing existing it does usually then dissipate for example like the giant

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: ghost yeah however then you have things like space cat who is there they can talk about space cats

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: they're the whole fucking time and also has his own personality and exists outside really

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_01]: though really don't doesn't even know that space cat is a thing until later you raise a

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: very important point here because space cat comes from really and falls own imagination that's true

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: which he explicitly said can't happen right like but space cast was also drawn on paper just like the

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: the eternal room oh so what like tetsuko was imagining him and then her imagination of him

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_04]: right really and falls some sort of like a psychic conduit that reacts completely involuntarily

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_04]: he literally compares it to pissing the bed that reacts to the emotions in the hearts of the

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: children around him and makes those things real which we were talking briefly before we started

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_04]: is often negative it's often a bad or a scary thing that they're the child is thinking about

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_04]: her feeling that he makes real which is a very intriguing concept like an antagonist of a manga

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_04]: series yeah oh how can how can you fight somebody you can peer into your heart and see what you

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_04]: fear most and then reify that but not only is he a protagonist but it's done completely

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_04]: involuntarily and often quite destructively yeah that would have been a very interesting idea if

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that were say rd0's ability where rd0 is the negative in men's hearts whereas rd1 could be the

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_01]: positive end he would make positive emotions and thoughts manifest instead that would be such a

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_04]: good way of contrasting his ability from rd0's because they don't really do that i don't know

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_04]: what the f*** rd0 does so rd0 the boss of the organization who's named the boss of the organization

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_04]: called the organization eminently creatively named i was gonna say did they ever give him a name no

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: they did give him and they did mention they mentioned his name at one point um the the guy

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that took over called him by name at one point but i can't be arsed okay i can't either but

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah the boss says that rd0's power is like rd1's but it's lesser which whatever that means and during

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_04]: the fight he commands rd0's power and he says he's going to make up for its lack of quality

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_04]: with quantity and then he just summons a bunch of like alien soldiers so if we extend the

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_04]: author the most leeway that a reader is able to extend we can imagine that like maybe it's

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_04]: only capable of manifesting one thing because the soldiers he summons do also kind of look like his

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_04]: weird transformed alien body there's like also a couple copies of him the boss there are copies of him

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah right maybe each of those soldiers is also him maybe rd0 was like only able to respond

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_04]: to his wish to be young and strong and perfect and all it could do was re-duplicate that wish

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_04]: over and over and over again it's a shame that i understand why because it's a child series but

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a shame that we don't see rd0 orverly and fall react to adults more often because adults

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_04]: generally have more complex and deeper and uh dare i say more dangerous thoughts and desires

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_04]: than children so if you want to introduce a threat into your series that would definitely be a good

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_05]: way to do it we could clearly talk about the why it failed section forever uh which is a bad sign

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_05]: but let's talk about what it did well tessa yes he didn't hate everything about this series right

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_04]: no i i did not hate everything about the series and i think that there are absolutely things to

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_04]: admire here we touched already on the idea that tetsuko really in falls older sister is the

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_04]: best characterized and most realized figure in the series and indeed i in addition to her being

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_04]: the strongest written character i thought the series was at its strongest during the what is it six

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_04]: chapter arc in which rillian fall manifests her fear and anxiety about fitting in was that really

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_04]: six whole chapters yeah it was six chapters it was chapters 14 through 19 because that was a

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_04]: manifestation of rillian falls power that taught us something about a prominent character that

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_04]: deepened our understanding of her and that manifestation of his power externalized an

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_04]: internal conflict of hers so that it could be resolved in a more visually sensationalist way

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_04]: like fighting a big monster rather than like you know tetsuko going to therapy or something um

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and i think that that's a very strong concept because one of the things that i expected to

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_04]: happen didn't necessarily happen especially often was for rillian fall to manifest the

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_04]: more troubled emotional experiences that adolescents go through and while they didn't do it often

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_04]: i think the one time they did it it worked very well and i agree you also talked about um it was

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_04]: dylan who mentioned tetsuko also having the only real character journey yeah because she is someone

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_04]: who takes herself very seriously he's a very dedicated person who her martial arts into

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_04]: maintaining her public image very powerful child yes unbelievably strong child in a way that

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_04]: children sometimes are when you're a child you're weak and you're not taken very seriously

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and so i think it makes perfect sense for a child to want to strengthen their public perception in that

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: way and yeah hers is the character journey she goes from being repulsed by rillian fall resenting

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: his incorporation into her family trying to disguise him from people she knows which there's

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_04]: really no need to because everyone who sees him says wow is that a talking dog that's incredible

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_04]: i love him nothing left less from the you know family yeah no conflict there no two i mean

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_04]: the the raising of the stakes for the six or seven part finale depending on whether you

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_04]: include the epilogue is somewhat sudden but she's upset when he's kidnapped and she works hard to

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_04]: rescue him and he actually manages to put something of a bow on her or character conflict about not

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_04]: fitting in when it comes to her grade school graduation ceremony in the final chapter and

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_04]: i thought that was very good now that sort of character relationship dynamic is admittedly

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_04]: perhaps a somewhat more heavy premise for a child's manga and i know you know it's shown in jump

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and they have to show big fights and and the kids want to see action mercifully there's no fan service

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_04]: in this series oh thank god right so i understand why the headier concept of child and cartoon

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_04]: dog character relationship story was not the focus of the series but i think that if it had been

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and if this series was running in a publication that would have allowed them to explore that

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_05]: i think it would have been much better i agree with you that like the parts with really and fall and

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_05]: tetsuko where tetsuko is uh is experiencing this kind of growth i do think that those are the strongest

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_05]: parts like um we go into her backstory and it's yes sad and it's relatable too where it's like oh i

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_05]: see why she's obsessed with not being called weird specifically it goes to a very specific trauma

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_05]: that she had and now she's all alone and like no it makes sense it really endeared me to

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_05]: the character it made me want to see things turn out better for her and then when it changes where

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_05]: she starts to care about really about really is as you said like a sign of her growth yeah and you

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_05]: just want to be like oh yeah tesco yeah tesco like the fucking place in the fucking store i really

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: like tetsuko as a name yeah for the character because it's like you guys know about uh iron man

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: tetsuo right oh yeah just iron girl there there you go yeah hey and i i thought that was cute you

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_04]: know what i didn't remember on his next i read this month ago before i reread it prior to this recording

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_04]: i didn't remember on his name i remembered tetsuko's name uh and on his name is a lot simpler

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah on tetsuko being like the main character there was one particular panel that i fucking love

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was in let me see her actually wrote it down in chapter 14 when the the bratty little

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_01]: bitch girl uh calls tetsuko weird the word bubble oh yeah oh yeah it's staff is a whole

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: dear chest that was fucking awesome i loved that and then the next panel showed her with a bandage

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_01]: over yeah one of the most fun things in this manga i wish they would have done more of that

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_04]: i also thought that interpersonal conflict with usami her peer while it may have been kind of

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_04]: pedestrian it's like oh usami has a crush on the boy that tetsuko is friends with was strongly

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: delivered and more strongly it needs to be said than the big spectacular set pieces that really

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_04]: infalls power keeps summoning yes i thought oh this author can deliver on character interaction

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_04]: stories this is although a simple dynamic a compelling one well let's uh in the next

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_05]: chapter we'll give really and follow bike so before we move on to the next section because um this has

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_05]: been going uh long because david isn't here to make sure that things stick to proper time we have to

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_05]: talk about lightning it's a he go oh do we we do okay uh love that guy top not king top not king

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: indeed he's just this cool samurai guy he except he's very yeah samurai and played armor yep yes

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: there's also uh one tiny little thing that i appreciate it's a nice little background detail

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that you see a lot in manga but i just appreciate the fact that you know even though they didn't

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_01]: draw many backgrounds this is something included in the gang's hideout uh there's an arowana

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: a tank full of arowana in the background yeah and arowana thought you were just mispronouncing

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: marijuana i mean that's one way to so aranas are a uh south american fish heavily prized in

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: like the criminal underworld where some can reach you know six seven figures for a single fish damn

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: there have been heists to steal them from aquariums whoa if you have multiple arowana in a tank in

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: your big bad guy lair that is a sign of we are very wealthy and resourceful do not fuck with us

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: that is a small thing uh when reviewing um pretty wing or birdie wing golf girl story i think on

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_01]: animator context that was something i also mentioned they had like an entire wall size

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_01]: tank for a single arowana and that was supposed to be a mildly dangerous organization meanwhile

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_01]: with the organization here they had a smaller tank filled with arowana damn nice little punch

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_04]: okay what was the organization here called again uh 13 i liked lightning mitzahiko's brother

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_04]: who uses 80 percent of his abilities to look at women i found that figure to be very relatable

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_05]: oh my god i don't know what his abilities are but they enable him to look at women

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_01]: holding his two figures to either temple just staring so it mentions he can run at mock 2.5 so

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: 2.5 times the speed of sound which means he is using 80 percent of that ability that speed

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_01]: to gawk at women which means he's constantly scaring at people yeah i'm out terrified oh my god

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: he also wears western clothes but from a different era from lightning mitzahiko's

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_01]: armor it's ridiculous oh he was a gambler he has to have that kind of almost a darby esque

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_05]: ah darbets all right what's what's the next section all right so the next section is where

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_05]: it could have gone chordon take it away okay so i would have uh liked to have seen what the fuck

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_05]: their parents were doing at this time i feel like that was going to be somewhat relevant it just feels

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_05]: like they were uh cow and chicken's parents basically i think the parents and cow and

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: chicken had a bit more agency that's fair they were more of characters they did actually start

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: different storylines aside from just a single one cat dogged parents hey there we go

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_05]: arnold's parents from hey arnold i thought they were dead were they dead i thought they just

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_05]: abandoned him i don't know he's being raised by his grandfather i don't remember there was like a

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_05]: whole tv movie about it and i don't remember what happened they disappeared on a humanitarian mission

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_01]: to san lorenzo yeah they're gone they disappeared they're gone yeah they got fridged they disappeared

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_05]: like there's one thing where i think it was implied that like um ray ichiro caused them to

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_04]: run away the father worked for the organization he was interacting with rillian fallon a professional

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: capacity before he sprung him yeah and his empathy is what caused him so he was their father's a bad man

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: indeed but i i don't know how he was working for the organization when he was jet setting around

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: the planet for his entire life this genius wife yeah both of them were geniuses so they were

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: probably doing some very bad things yes some very twisted experiments however the father at least

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_01]: had some sort of empathy which is why he broke uh brilliant fallout which it would have been nice

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_01]: to at least elaborate on the parents like did the organization kill them once they realized

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: except we know the organization didn't realize that the hinos were responsible until much later

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah can i just say the um the panels with um rillian fallon remembering what it was like

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_05]: where he's just crying and holding on to a blanket we're like genuinely so sad there are a couple

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_04]: panels that even because there's there's an issue with inconsistency of tone in this series to be

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_04]: sure but what there were there were panels where that cropped up right like seeing this torture

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_04]: chamber the solitary confinement cell block and is a cute little cartoon dog with kissy lips

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_04]: lying on the floor just such cognitive dissonance even to interpret the image just sobbing and shaking

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_01]: oh i would have loved if oh god specifically in those panels uh rillian tall was drawn hyper realistic

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that would be like how he sees himself until he sees a human that shows some kindness and then

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: he adopts mannerisms and an overall thing that make him appear more human what an interesting

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_05]: shift yeah like maybe he was like actively trying to appear more human based on like the

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_01]: things he did you know it was um yeah they in the the finale they did explain that's not his true

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_04]: form i don't know like he was put in there somehow he's like given life he's the rdo one that's

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_04]: like given a body and personality i don't know it's sort of i feel like they did it just

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_05]: heady and mysterious just cuz like they were like we gave it like sentience to hide it maybe he was

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: originally a plush that they they've been forced it into maybe be interesting that would have been

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_04]: so cute if they showed them sewing that little ore of the hogyoku they showed them sewing it up

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_04]: inside a little stuffed animal and then it came to life oh that would have explained so much about

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_01]: his appearance and like a build a bear oh that would have been great oh i do think that like the

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_04]: finale shows what the series could have built to the finale definitely happens very suddenly it

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_04]: actually it reminded me of the finale of star trek enterprise the last and the least positively

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_04]: remembered of the 90s star trek series that got axed at least two seasons before they were

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_05]: expecting it to be cancelled people talk more about uh voyager than that doesn't it end with the

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_05]: revelation that it was like riker's dream or something only that episode is a holodeck

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_04]: program conducted by riker during a very good episode of star trek the next generation but

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_04]: i got ahead of myself so for that for the finale episode they skip ahead three years like this

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_04]: is the ending we would have done if we were given enough time to end the show and like

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_04]: there's status quo changes that they just have to bring up it's like oh yeah this character died

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_04]: this character's life changed in this way because this is stuff that they wanted to do they were

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_04]: planning for the future but didn't have time to oh that's so sad yeah the ending of really in fall

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_04]: feels very similar to me where the author as ill-constructed as the narrative arc for lack

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_04]: of a better word might be was trying to build board something got bold that the series was ending

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and then add to tie everything together quickly yeah because like it's like suddenly there is a

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_05]: magical violent wizard who just shows up a sci-fi wizard suddenly there's the first antagonist

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_04]: who does not immediately ced to really in fall side i feel like he eventually does at the end

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_05]: though well when what when he's disintegrating yeah he's disintegrating i feel like he does

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_01]: right before he died i think as he disintegrated that's why he named the other guy as his successor

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_05]: if this were a different manga he would have said i lost completely and smiled as he disintegrated

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: would have been a would have been a little bit of a better way to approach it and then

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the guy would like step up and say all right this has gone on too far this is not the

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: organization that we joined we're taking things we're taking a couple steps back and

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_01]: refocusing the goals of our nebulously evil group hey listen when i joined an evil organization

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_01]: i didn't know it was gonna be wacky evil i didn't know we were gonna do some transhumanist bullshit

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: i thought we were just gonna rob a few banks i knew we were as evil i didn't know we was like

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_04]: this evil god damn i just joined because we all wore some cool sunglasses aliens i guess that's

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_05]: where he draws the line yeah oh man i feel like another big issue is it does spend too much time

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_05]: with the organization yes you have so many characters so many characters just in that one little house

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_05]: you're gonna have like a bunch more on the side that you're gonna take focus away to to look at them

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and it's the least interesting thing they could show because the organization the people

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_04]: in it are so poorly defined because then it wouldn't be as utilitarian a plot device now if they'd

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: condensed say the entire organization to two or three people and made it more of like a team rocket

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_04]: type thing yeah why does wilbur even have his sidekick low rise why because he's proven to be

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the smarter and more capable of the two but because he doesn't have ambition he's the low

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_04]: rising one that's a funny character dynamic to have the fancy pompous guy who's actually

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_04]: very inept and his slacker best friend who manages everything for him that's a funny idea in a series

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_04]: that has that already had introduced him would go on to introduce so many other big characters

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_01]: i think it is a bit much oh god oh and their boss it was just them and their boss that would

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: have been fucking awesome yes yeah although they're kicked out of the organization so

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_04]: that i'm just the boss yeah oh did you have something you wanted to say about the guns

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: yes we'll get to that miscellaneous thoughts and speaking of which i think we've kind of discussed

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: where we would have liked to have seen the manga go so how about we move on over to our miscellaneous

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: thoughts so tessa did you have a new thing that you'd want to start us off with i think that just

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_04]: generally the manga is to its detriment less interested in establishing stakes or for me a

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_04]: cohesive narrative arc and more just wants to show cool set pieces and like i said i thought

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_04]: it was at its best when managing interesting character relationship uh and at its worst

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_04]: when it was on a rolling tour of every cool guy the author could think of wonder if the author is

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_04]: going to reuse some of these characters hmm it sounded like he did in the next series yeah yeah

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe i'll check out world trigger and see if there's like a dog that can like manifest people's

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_04]: insecurities i was briefly terrified reviewing the notes for this episode and seeing that under

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_04]: the header world figure connections there was a chapter 82 mentioned and i thought oh god did

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_04]: i miss half of this series but no it's a different series chapter 82 i don't think we would cover

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_04]: anything that long oh we better fucking on oh yeah here's a miscellaneous thought i found might just

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_04]: be because of how much text there was it seemed to me that compared to other shounen series specifically

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_04]: the characters were often drawn quite small in the frame yeah because there were a couple panels

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_04]: very rarely very seldom where character art took up like as much as half the page and the

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_04]: proportions got a little weird so i wonder if it wasn't just the artist was used to drawing at a

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_04]: certain scale and didn't divert from this one of you mentioned that a lot of the characters look

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_04]: alike and i think a big part of that is that they have to be drawn simply because they're being

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_01]: drawn so small that makes sense because i noticed that a lot of times the um ani and tesco

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_01]: they appeared to be the same size in a lot of panels if ani wasn't just you know maybe the

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: smallest bit taller and he's supposed to be four years older so he's a very short 15 year old

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: or she is fucking giant maybe she's huge she is tesco so can i just say another thing that we

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_05]: haven't talked about enough the translation here oh i have some notes on that thing it was bad maxi

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_05]: v points out here uh in volume two on like the character page where uh marie is referred to as a

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_05]: gost girl ghost without the h to be clear boy i sure hope someone was fired for that

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah i actually have a bunch of notes um related specifically to the translation like i think

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_01]: around chapter seven is when they actually brought in a new translator yeah were we reading an

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_02]: official translation no way i didn't think so no fucking way wait wait wait wait so you mean

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_04]: to tell me that super dog rillian fall did not merit an official localization and publication by

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: vis shuisha decided that they didn't want to bother no not yet maybe if the sequel was not a sequel

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_02]: series but maybe if world trigger gets big enough or is it that would be the unincredible long con

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_05]: oh man man we read this uh one manga a little while like a couple weeks ago i think called uh

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_05]: shit that that one about like the warring states in japan you know what i'm talking about dylan

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_01]: yes i do remember the one the oh god that was the fucking one with the assassin who wasn't an assassin

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_05]: right yamato ginsuki yeah so it turns out that in the author's next manga which ended up being

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_05]: pretty popular it's like a triangle right i think it's like i don't know but the point is um

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_05]: it turned out that there were characters in that manga that were the reincarnated versions of

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_05]: the characters in yamato ginsuki so you never know is my point so i'm actually just gonna buzz

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: over because i have a bunch of notes regarding specifically the translation that i want to want

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to buzz over please do yeah so in chapter 11 we get fucking cacod shinshi gives his card to

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: really and all and all it says is shinshi and then they throw in the translator note at the

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: bottom that just says shinshi means gentlemen shinshi means gentlemen in this fucking day

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: you got fucking cacod and it made me laugh my ass off another one in the first chapter where wilbur

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: exists his name is wilbur which means it is a genetic translation which means this was translated by

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: someone whose native language was not english and they had never heard the name wilbur before

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: wilbur i'm fairly certain one of the scene translators like it mentioned that they translate

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: specifically to indonesian which made me think that they went from japanese to indonesian and

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: then used like google translate well i was gonna say because even if english wasn't their native

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_04]: language wouldn't it have at least been wilbur i'm not 100% sure yeah like the only reason they

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_04]: would end it at the b is if it ended with a u if it was wilbur which wouldn't make sense of the

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_02]: boo yes his name is gentleman wilbur trying to dangerously play it sounds like every person

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_05]: on reddit what do you mean it sounds like something no no it sounds like somebody who has

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_05]: the most obnoxious video essays you could possibly watch oh it can be your angle or your devil

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: now i've received a few emails yeah it's a rant sona is my point and then let's see and uh there's

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: a translator note in chapter 21 regarding a missing panel in their scan and that was more jarring

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: than the actual missing panel because there was it was so difficult a lot of time to track any

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: action in the first place so them being a missing panel i was like all right cool that was just

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever and then i stopped by them there was a panel missing here cool thanks why would you

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_05]: tell me that it was like there was just a page missing and it was like sorry it wasn't included

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: in the raw i don't know what to tell you yeah we don't got it okay use what happens brilliant

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: thought went chasing down just some other quick little miscellaneous things uh the art quality

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: really drops in like the last five or so chapters i think i was too enraptured in the

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_04]: storytelling i think there was just so much shit going on it might make sense if they rushed it out

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_04]: the door towards the end uh the assistants may have been looking to attach themselves to other

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_05]: projects or the author got depressed and didn't put that much effort into it just not giving

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: the right deadlines being right regardless of how much time he had but just storytelling

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: pace is so frenetic in those closing chapters that yeah oh yeah and finally for my things i

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: just want to quickly get out of the way the gun note please do in chapter one when ani rapidly

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: disassembles the bad guys guns you can see them holding guns they're completely blacked out the

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: entire time however based on the profile and during the disassembly you can see the bushing

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: those guns are supposed to be 1911's however they are missing their hammer so those are not

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: actually 1911's there are some variety of weird striker fire hybrid 1911 that only existed

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: in this author's imagination however then at one point when someone pulls out a derringer

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: it is a very well detailed like old school uh barmaid derringer that she'd keep in her panties

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: oh my god and it wasn't fully blacked it was like highly detailed and everything so

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_05]: i remember the derringer it was seemed so weird out of nowhere dylan you are aware

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that handguns are illegal in jen google existed yes and also whatever rifles were drawn in the

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_04]: later chapters were very clearly traced how many examples can we think of i was considering this

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: where rillian fall is able to use his power intentionally because during the tetsuko trauma

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: arc the sixth chapter yeah uh the big giant is chasing them and it's very scary and they discuss

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: solutions like knocking out the person whose emotions are being manifested was never been a

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: thing before if that was the case like what and or why don't you knock rillian fall out since

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: he's the one doing it yeah if he could even be knocked out when they're unable to address

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: tetsuko's emotions in a way that diffuses the monster rillian fall finds in the bookstore the

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_04]: picture book that the little girl is reading in the opening chapter about exploring the sea floor

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and he summons like like in the opening chapter his power reacts involuntarily to her imagining

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: the story that's true but when they're fighting the giant monster he like summons the sea monsters

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: from that book like he's reading a spell book and i feel like that's the only time he is able

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_04]: to alone and unassisted intentionally use his power is like when they're making the room all

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_04]: the kids are imagining the room together and that's why he's able to make it real also you mentioned

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_05]: talking about uh knocking out rillian fall isn't there a part where rillian fall starts bashing

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: his head into like a wall or something i don't think he could actually be truly injured no

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_05]: don't think that's possible you know what good we don't need injured docks i was expecting

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the yeah the my god the tone talk about tone shift yeah the opening chapter they're pointing guns at

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: where's my note where's my notebook get that mole skin the opening chapter they're pointing guns

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: not not even it really felt it's like give us rd1 or we'll shoot civilians on this bus then they

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: find a magical staircase then they go inside the tv then they go to the store then there's

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: then there's a ghost story where that's based on a true story where a child was stranded in a ship

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: at sea the rescue effort picked up everybody except the child and the child starved to death yeah then

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: they have fun with the ghost then akira has his little adventures with the space chat then wilbur

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: shows up and says i forgot this about wilbur until my reread he introduces himself with i've

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: kidnapped your older brother he kidnapped akhi awnee awnee i'm sorry yeah if you ever want to see him

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: again beat me in chess end of the next chapter actually i like you dog we'll be friends i'm not

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: even gonna tell my superiors that you're rd1 why because it's interesting because i am an agent

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: of chaos tetsuko's trauma which i thought was the only part that was actually balanced in terms

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_04]: of stake and character relationships they're playing around and they make a custom room and

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: then really in fall gets a bike and then the antagonists uh ray chiro and olga show up who

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: seem like they're going to be a very big deal but again leave very quickly having acquired a new

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: found respect for the kids and then wilbur and low rise live there and then they go into

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_05]: lightning mitziko's world and then the respect that riichi and olga developed for these kids

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: and uh and really in fall happened so fast that like i missed it i think it was it happened the

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: instant that tesco broke through the rope and concrete anchors and that oni disassembled the

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: robot and reassembled it better than ever that was like immediately like i cool we with you guys

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_05]: it was basically like ah shit we don't want to fuck with these guys okay we're friends now like

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: that's the only way to read that which is funny because they're kids but everybody's kids i thought

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: was insane when the supervisor at the organization like akira's boss who also ends up on really in

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: fall side despite having never met him at some point they revealed there's like 23 or something

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: everybody is children in manga well hey are you familiar with kaiju number eight no one of the

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_05]: main parts of that manga is that the main character is just fucking ancient like he's

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_05]: extremely old i mean he's fucking 32 like just this ancient guy like hey you know what to me 32 is

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_04]: ancient so i am 32 so i have encountered works of japanese animation where they say things like a

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: middle-aged man in his 30s oh okay their life expectancy so high to a high school student

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: 30 is middle age i guess and also maybe culturally that's just their concept of middle age

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: just is different starts then i don't know starts then and had different expectations

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_05]: you remember sid from final fantasy seven oh yeah yeah like this old grizzled like

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_04]: not final fantasy eight or ten no wait i don't you mean robin williams in final fantasy eight

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: i think i'm thinking of final fantasy 10 that's the one with pytos and he goes ah ha ha right

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: yes okay no final final fantasy seven is the one with cloud yeah but there's there's that like

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: grizzled older samurai guy in 10 who's only like 30 right the guy in the red how old is oron

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_05]: or on high school host club he's 35 years old in no but sit in final fantasy seven is presented

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_05]: as this old experienced uh grit like salty pirate guy or pilot guy who's 32 like not if you're over

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_05]: your 30s you're basically a grandpa in japan is what i've learned from anabey and manga and

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_04]: video games his 30 year olds disappear from the public eye because they just become businessmen

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah they put it they become salary men it's funny recently i was uh playing i was watching my girlfriend

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: play a video game called fear and hunger too oh i've heard of that yeah yeah it's translated i think

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_04]: the author's original the author's original language is finnish is translated to english

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and there's a character who's introduced as a salary man and i was like that's interesting

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_04]: we don't really use that word in english this except as a translation from japanese

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_04]: and then the salary man is like hello i'm yotuhiku akira i was like oh

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_05]: i bet there's like some parody where there's a salary man i just i hope so but anyway let me get

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_05]: into uh maxi b's thoughts here speaking of things like salaries uh super space cats

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_05]: favorite food is not curry they say that it is that his favorite food is curry is not it is

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: cutie which is a cucumber which is why when he's eating the quote unquote curry it looks like a

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: fucking cucumber was it a deep fried cucumber because it looks like it was breaded or whatever

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: i don't know i'd have to double check but yeah i was thinking what the fuck does it supposed

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: actually be yeah because they say curry but it's a discrete physical object yeah it's definitely

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: not curry like so apparently it's supposed to be a fucking cucumber and the translator just

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_05]: fucked up uh maxi b says here zero out of 100 translators see me after class so see maxi b see

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: them after class i would not be surprised if the translators had a enthusiasm shorted while working

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: on this they changed staff multiple times the translator aside from the last seven chapters

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: was all the same person then they cycled between proofreader and editor multiple times it was all

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: over the place for the staff for the scene group that did the translation that i read

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah i remember a lot of ads exhorting the reader to join their localization staff yep last but not least

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_05]: i want to get into uh the connections to world trigger this is not going to mean anything to me

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: but it might mean something to you listener first of all the zodiac system from rillianthals used

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_05]: again for world triggers birthdays was there a zodiac i don't really yeah i don't know what i

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: don't remember that i don't remember zodiac system at all no what i don't know what that's about

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_05]: maxi b what did you read i don't either maxi b i have no clue what you're talking about wait did

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: maxi b read the japanese one we probably were insufficiently attentive yosuke yonea wears badges

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_05]: with rillianthals super space cat and go muso on them someone just straight up reads superdog

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: rillianthal in chapter one superdog rillianthal takes place in like it as a piece of media inside

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that universe okay yeah this is my favorite manga i can't believe weekly jump cancel it was monthly

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_05]: jump by the time it was canceled fortunately but yeah nerd yeah there are like generic neighbor

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_05]: monsters that kind of look like gomuzo right the neighbors are the like the monster species

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: that the kids have to fight in world trigger i read a summary of it okay they're called meba

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah and uh yotaro has the same mouth and similar eyes to rillianthal which hey those are

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_05]: the best parts of rillianthals design am i right am i right everybody oh my god uh and yeah there's

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_05]: a plushie of rillianthal in chapters 82 and 83 so yeah now let's get to the final verdict

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: so let's start off with some six word summaries from our community and for those of you who are

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: interested in submitting for future episodes there will be a link to our discord in the

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: episode description where you can then join and submit your own six word summaries starting with

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: maxi b manga has a serious case of up dog what's up dog it's it's a it's a dog that goes up

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: rillianthal can make it real dakrason superdog not super manga dago the phantom seer i read

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_04]: rain leafle dog instead i think romlethal is a romlithal is that not how is it

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: fuck is that not how it's pronounced this guilty gear character i have no idea i have no idea

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: okay it's a guilty gear character uh i read okay i read romlithal romlithal whatever instead

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: playstribe romlithal valentine uh diego says playstrive so i'm assuming that it is a guilty

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: gear character yeah dude rocks the earth child stan just the average puppy owner experience

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it's truly what the dog doing lord anubis number one red hood fan slash mourner what the world's

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: triggered dog doing oh mr davie our good friend david who is not here today no it's not as super as

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: ravioli ravioli is david's dog to be clear oh i thought it was just his favorite food that too

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you know that would make sense poor man has two uh most powerful super pet in manga rillianthal

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: is a five-dimensional dog spubby what if ravioli could warp reality spike well that went to the dogs

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: boom gotcha oh was that spiked spiegel you know it might be it might be it's actually spike jones

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: well that went to the dog or spike just the entire dead tv channel spikely spiked tv

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: uh mine is someone give this dog to iraqi or uh is it child or animal abuse because he's treated

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: as both a kid and a dog that's true how about you jordan what's yours a new effective form of

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_04]: therapy yeah all right yeah how about you tessa mine was magic dog makes dreams come through i may

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_04]: have overestimated how serious the summarization process is supposed to be i mean it could be

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: as serious as you want it to be or in the case of someone gets stuck to rocky could just be duck lips

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_05]: dog externalizes child trauma yes yes yes yes that one's better honestly yeah i will change it thank

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_05]: you that was that is that's very good it also sounds like a newspaper headline it does that

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_05]: should be a final list for the floppy's yes that is our awards show where we uh give ourselves

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_05]: awards it's pretty good anyway let's get into uh flop or not you know um dylan what's this a flop

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: uh yeah oh yeah yeah very much a flop i wouldn't say certified flop yeah this was a flop there is

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: far too much wrong with it for me to uh to say it wasn't but but it's sounding like you have some

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_05]: other thoughts jordan no i agree okay no it is a flop i um there are parts that there are

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_05]: things here that i really liked but overall it's too little like there's just too much stuff here

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_05]: holding it back it's it doesn't have the sauce i'm sorry how about you tessa is this a is this not

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_04]: a flop a flop or a certified flop yeah i would say that it is an unfortunate flop um because

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_04]: i think that there is a good heart and in another series under different circumstance that could have

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_04]: been something yes is it something here i don't think for brief moments maybe yeah and dylan

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_05]: since he said it was a flop would you recommend something instead of this what would you uh so

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: i would recommend if you want to say i don't know read something involving a nebulously magic

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: animal that can do fantastical things with its mind i can't imagine what you're about to say

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: i'm actually going to recommend you go back to superman's girlfriend lois lane some older

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: comic series and there is there's multiple arcs where super horse yeah attempts to court

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: lois lane by taking the form of superman by doing magic because super horse isn't like superman

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: super horse is actually magic so that's what you should read instead where this horse tries to bang

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: a woman oh well he does they they get engaged she almost marries him superman's girlfriend

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: lois lane is a fucking mess it is basically everyone on earth is such a dick to lois and

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone is also trying to bone her she gets ready to batman for a while the superman is always

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: just like blowing her off it's a terrible series it is so campy and fun oh my god that sounds great

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: how about you tessa the tonal territory that theory's got into during it rush but ultimately

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_04]: climactic finale uh where you have very cute cartoon characters fighting a real and serious

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_04]: threat reminded me a lot of the curbie series of game uh so yeah if you are interested in that

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of story for a cute little cartoon character uh japanese design no less that faces an extraterrestrial

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: existential threat maybe just play curbie superstar ultra that being said if you are looking to read a

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: series of manga and you might be interested in what causes things like sudden narrative and

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: tonal changes in a series you'd read bakuman which i talked about earlier which goes very

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: in-depth about the process of publishing manga in jump and also different ways that manga can

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_05]: fail nice all right all right as for me well i just saw logan last night that's a really good movie

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: did you watch the black and white cut no it's about trauma which i think this is also about maybe

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of i don't know logan's just a good movie i just recommend it hell yeah anyway dylan is the

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_05]: best worst series who ever talked about no so i've only been involved in three episodes exactly

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: so i'm just gonna say no no this is not the worst that i've been involved in uh i would have

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to say that the neru is worse significantly so is it the best thing you've been involved in though

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: no that's not though this this is the this is the dead straight middle road

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_05]: service wars was so damn fun service wars was great and even that was like kind of

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: even that i said was a flop yeah and neru was just garbage and focused too much on feet

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_05]: you want to talk about something feels like it got ruined by editorial mandate check out service

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_05]: wars oh so sad oh man but yeah that's pretty much the show oh but is it is it the best or worst

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_04]: series that you've talked about no now dylan anticipated my point which is that as this

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_04]: is the only episode i've been on really in thought is necessarily both the best and worst series

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that i've discussed now that's a good point i hadn't but is it the best and or worst manga

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that you've read yeah unfortunately i also have to damn it with paint phase and say that

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not the worst manga i've read i have read some crap so have we have you read uri wall

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: i have no oh it's not even that bad actually but just based on the name it's kind of gross anyway

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: we should probably move on over to the wrap up because we are significantly over time which

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: means i'm gonna be spending a little bit more time this weekend i am sorry dylan i am sorry i don't

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_04]: mind i'm having so much fun i do not care i am also having a lot of fun i'm glad aren't

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: you listener i hope you are otherwise why are you still listening either way hey keep on listening

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: we we appreciate the uh the retention stats yeah no actually keep listening yeah better yet loop

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: this episode and have it run in the background turn your phone on mute but have it play on spotify

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and then just you know set your phone aside when you go to bed there you go there you go now

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: you're thinking people always talk about taking a nap while my stream is running and i'm like well

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: i mean as long as you don't close the stream i'm still getting that view so sure yeah hey i don't

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: care how you consume this uh this podcast that also means they appreciate your stream enough and

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: your stream is mellow enough not enough dramatic shifts in tone so it's not like some screamy mess

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's something that they can feel comfortable with having the background yes when i get killed

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: in a video game i merely squawk i tuned into one of your streams i don't think i reached

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: anything like that i need to i'm gonna need to watch some more i'm greatly esteemed that you've

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: seen me stream thank you of course do you squawk often yeah i see so now that we've gone through

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: this very very heavy overview of this all over the place manga let's move on over to the wrap up

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: thank you so much tessa for joining us today now if people were interested in seeing and hearing

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[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_05]: each an exclusive content well dylan we are finishing up cypher academy with uh josh from

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_05]: the volume one podcast tessa are you familiar with cypher academy i am not it is a manga about

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_05]: japanese word puzzles oh the translator quit so not getting a dub anytime soon oh man they got a

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_05]: new one but you can tell that the new one was just uh cutting some corners oh oh christ you can also

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: even be sitting into our recordings live or listening to the warm up audio and find us at

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[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_05]: wood and the trefogger i would also like to say thank you to all of our galactic ball federation

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: officers and all of our beast children thank you very much for that jordan is there anything else

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_05]: that you would like to talk about first of all dylan i would like to thank you so much for coming in

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_05]: here taking david's spot while he was off doing his fucking david bullshit thank you for having a

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: sexy voice and thank you for editing oh thank you very much yeah check out my other podcast

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_05]: mission ignition about an insane show that only i remember from the 90s called vampires yeah

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's it thank you thank you all right now let's move on over to sign off real quick before

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: jordan's power goes out yeah thank you so much for joining us this week tune in next monday as

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: jordan and david gave their first thoughts on the hands oh god the fucking name this has been

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: dylan this has been jordan this has been tessan and you've been listening to shonen flop keep

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