#111 Shadow Eliminators (Ft. YouTuber Mugiwara)

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[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to this episode of Shonen Jump.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Our podcast is called Shonen Flop where we talk about manga in Shonen Jump.

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[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But this week we are talking about shadow the eliminator or shadow eliminators as he's more commonly known.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: David, you all right man.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: No, we are joined by our guest, Muggy.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for joining us.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you mind telling the audience a little bit about yourself?

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for having me here.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I love being here at Shonen Jump.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a big fan of it.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Jordan, I think he fixed his on the Shonen Jump podcast.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell him that.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It did end to maybe the names up for grabs.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I do great.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I just do.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I just picked funny videos.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Some about one piece.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Some about like Naruto and stuff just about how funny the series is when you look at it from

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_05]: other people's perspective.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, just the funny guy not taking too tough to see or you saw on YouTube.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I absolutely love it.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We talked in the warm body about what if Karikari had killed the family of activate a gear

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: fifth and holkick island which was a great idea.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I also just want to say a big thank you for Diego.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03]: If you're listening in in our discord for suggesting us reach out to Muggy to be

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: a guest.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So Diego, thank you so much for your recommendation.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thanks.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Muggy, I want to ask.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I know you look at the company in one place and kind of like, I feel like I don't know

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: the best way to frame up rhetorical.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe what do you think is the like intentionally funniest part of one piece?

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And why was it when Luffy pushed that zombie back down on thriller park?

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to say, well, that's a good one.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: That is definitely a good one.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a couple that continue with that.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll tell you what's to me a little bit funny.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Good.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: When he pulled the octopus out of his pants after G8 when he's there just like, how do we get out of here

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and he just pulls an octopus out of his pants?

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they're like, you just had that down there this whole time and he's like down where.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And then just never like, like, have you seen smiling friends?

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I have.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like a very smiling friend's moment.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_05]: It truly does.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Like in the whole arc, he's just not serious.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the whole time, like they're goofing around in the kitchen, sign who's being absolutely serious.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Luffy's just like, he's messing around.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: He put like chicken tenders in the oven, the oven explodes.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It's actually insane.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy how good G8 is as a filler arc.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Most people probably don't even know it's not canon.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't Oda kind of make it canon?

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Sort of no, okay.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So if I may, there is a common misconception because character from G8 show up in Marine Ford,

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: but that was only in the anime, sadly.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-oh.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I know.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm pushing the zombie back in the ground is very funny.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Look, because he, I don't think he, I don't think he knows what his oven.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: He just saw us that guy.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_05]: He's not the out here.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And he just puts him back in there, so that is a really pretty moment.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_05]: He's, I think not.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just like, the next time I'm in a horror movie, I'm going to try that just like all right.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Just go back in there.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Out your consent.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Just say no.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_04]: God.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the next funniest one those definitely enter loose face when you realize

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: that he can't hear Luffy.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I left so fun.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'll rewatch that thing three or four times.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the funniest faces ever made in a manga.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_04]: That's true.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It may be the cultural legacy of one piece of that face.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Luffy, for context, Jordan, I were talking about this last episode where we taught

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I have some Zoomer friends and I told them about like older memes to our

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember which one?

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, over nine thousand.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, we know about it.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: We respect it as history.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But we would never use it unironically.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like in the library of Congress for culturally relevant means.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I do think we are getting close to their, I probably being a library of

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Congress repository of meme history.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a good point.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_05]: There needs to be at some point.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we're pretty close.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_05]: We've got the, we've already got enough to put it like to fill the museum in my opinion.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, they're at one point.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: There's going to be a museum of memes.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: There has to be right.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what my grandchildren will study is taking meme history as an

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: left.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: There will absolutely be a college major somewhere.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You have to write a five page paper on the impact on about why

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_05]: the guy holding all those lines like what are memes.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you do with those lines?

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It was happening here.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Got, okay.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're getting a topic.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's actually talk about this manga because we're not talking about

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Kagurobashi where we can just talk about memes all day as we're reviewing it.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: We are talking about shadow limators.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to hear Jordan talk about the manga details.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: So this is shadow eliminators or as Tucker knows here.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It is also known as really really

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_04]: thinking which according to Tucker directly translates to tail of the fight against

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_04]: that, which is accumulating.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a reason why they didn't keep that.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of wish they did, but anyway this is by Kento Amimea.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Another work that he did was Kutoma,

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Dash Divine Beastkeeper, Dash.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Twenty nineteen three chapters jump giga.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, according to MaxiB, it's another one of those short giga minis they

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_04]: used to show off talent.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: At least one major character in shadow limitators began existence there.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: That's apparently in the trivia session.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So we will get to that.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But not talking about that shadow.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll limitators, tail of the fighting as that, which is accumulating ran from

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: December 4th, 2023 to April 22nd, 2024.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It replaced David.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Ice head guilt.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: That's an episode.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: We know that one.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we know that one.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably what the ugliest character designs I've ever seen in Shonanjama.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that manga is as if somebody tried to make God of war.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: We're using one piece character designs, but was unable to even remotely do it.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you say ice head guilt?

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, God.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_04]: The series that replaced this though was Psych House, which Psych, it just got canceled.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God canceled.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, MaxiB was waiting there notes, but MaxiB didn't have to take the note it.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But they did note it later on and they're notes to us.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: But series that started at the same time as it was green green greens by the author of David, Beast Children.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: This children.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So someone posted a picture of green green greens and onironically in the disguise

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It this looks like if the Beast Children artist had spent another five years working on his art.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And someone was like, can you, can you, well, get to Drew?

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's gonna be our next episode as MaxiB literally writes episode 112,

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: which means that this episode is 111.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It is.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Make a wish, but just so you're aware, Moogie, we have a three-tier system of judgment here.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: We have flop certified flop, which is the absolute worst and of course not a flop.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't have certified flop and then we read Beast Children and decided, no,

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: we need something below flop.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Our stupid asses fight that the majority of them onga we would read for this podcast would be good.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's about one in ten.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Our work reading?

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That's so optimistic.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we were by simplest summer children.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It turns out that if a mug gets canceled, there is often a reason for that.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a chunk of the stuff.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It's showing a chunk of the stuff.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what it's doing with its cancellation.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of the time.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Generally speaking, yeah, I mean, you know, you could argue that it's because they ruin this series with their editors sometimes.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: That's another conversation.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That's true.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Because we're talking about Shadow Eliminators,

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: 90 chapters, three volumes.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's get into the plot.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Asakaze is the head of the public morals committee at his high school and he is obsessed with justice.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And by that, I mean, he's a huge knock.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: One day, however, a guy named Aoba, Kuro Mori joins his class and he doesn't care about rules at all.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Did you fucking imagine?

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Aoba and his grandma, an old lady who isn't his grandmother and looks 22, which is true.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Move into town so he can tray in an order to fight Casano or Shadows and eliminate them.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Because his shadow or liminator, which is the title of this manga,

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_05]: they end up fighting a possessed teacher who was bullied by her students when Asakaze finds himself drawn into the fight.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Aoba, it turns out, has a Casano inside of him.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_05]: What?

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Which lets him turn his right arm into a cool slinky sword.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Aoba takes out the Casano and all the other people can't remember what happens,

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_05]: so we can establish a status quo.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Aoba, Asa-Kaze, a great to start a Shadow or Liminators club where they eliminate shadows.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Shadow or Liminators Shadow or Liminators Shadow or Liminators.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Can I just be honest, this is like molasses to my ears.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I just want you to read this whole plot.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You did a great job.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you're here.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_05]: You definitely have a voice for radio.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the, oh yeah, I love it.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That's how I would ever do like narration and video.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I love like given it like, you guys remember like watch a dragon ball as we grow up.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just, I don't know the last time where they were just powering up.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna make it sound more interesting.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Last time on Dragon Ball Z.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Popcorn Jordan.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_04]: There's some monster of the weak shit where they help an actor dealing with pressure from his dad and a girl

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: who's only friend disappeared.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Grandma then trains them real hard until they become each others or friends.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Their class goes on a field trip to an arboretum where guy who looks a lot like mash from mashl

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_04]: turns into a kusana and is taken out by nagito in officially sanctioned a lemonade or

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and that is to be clear a shadow eliminator with magic guns who has a sad backstory

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_04]: when his dad turned into a kusana.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So now he hates kusana and wants to kill Alba because he has a kusana inside of him.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: However, Alba's backstory is just astraject.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So he fights nagito to a draw kind of.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It does that thing where it's like, I have my sword at you through.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I got my gun pointed at you but then with that Alba's av my sword can't hurt people and nagito is like,

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_04]: well dang, alright this I feel I feel goofy now sorry and he just kind of walks away.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: They'd feel great to mention with a bunch of missing people who are forced to be servants and

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: family of a guy who's really sad that his wife died and not quite as sad that his daughter died.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Nagito shows up to help along with his partner Tagami, a girl who speaks with a paper bag,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: puppet and doesn't wear underwear.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_04]: They defeat the bad guy but then Alba's evil twin Zen shows up.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, is it fucking evil twin always?

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: No really, really like his evil twin Zen.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: He's even Zen.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_04]: He shows up and he's got two friends, a Hawke girl named Yisame and a weird dude whose name doesn't

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_04]: matter because he's not a Hawke girl.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: They turn into Cassadais and start causing shit.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So Alba turns into a Cassadais and continues to cause shit until some other shadow

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: illuminators show up to save them pop for a day.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I hope I keep wanting to call him Adoba.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Where could Abba?

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I keep wanting to call him Adobi.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Alba Photoshop.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Adoba ends up in a containment.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Continue.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what so funny can do.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And it tells Asuka Zay is tragic backstory about how he had his brother were raised

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: in a cult that worshiped Cassadais.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They were both descendants of a guy who died and sent his skull back to the living world

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and were taken care of by Sarah, who is a double agent working for the Shadow illuminators.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_04]: By the way real quick, Domest Roke in the whole fucking manga is when Siri gets stabbed

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and then Alba's like, hey Siri.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Zen even calls him out on and he's like, that joke sucks.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was an editor-no.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: God, one day the skull calls to them and tracks them both to hell where they both get the

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Cassadais and then resurrects them.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Zen goes crazy and kills Siri.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, maybe they'll try to Alexa next time.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He says he wants to rule the world and kills everyone at the cult compound.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Adobo is taken in by the Shadow illuminators HQ where he's raised and taught to fight.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Adobo's master shows up and makes him accept his Cassadais by sending them into a magic book.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like when each of you go went into looking in the Zonpactode.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, really?

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: This is similarity.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like identical to that.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_05]: It's similar to other manga you don't say.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Almost criminally so almost criminally so.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Zen and his posse attack and all the glass until Adobo appears inactivated his devil trigger.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So you're right, may we should just call him Dante.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Allowing him to easily kill Zen with 500 swords, just like archer from fighting

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Tonight.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: This skull then shows up and makes Adobo disappear for some reason.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Two years later, Azacaze is the school president and he ends up being united with Adobo,

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: who was protected from the skull by sending somehow.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's how the end.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, Azacaze did nothing except probably remind the teacher that they didn't assign homework yet.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like almost done with this plot story and realized that like I barely wrote

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Azacaze's name and he's like the POV character.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_04]: He did nothing.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You didn't do anything.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but we still have to talk about it.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I would love to if there was just if there's anything worth talking about with him.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what's crazy dude.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Like it's literally.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_05]: He has this little house every time I saw that house,

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like okay.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how to housework.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I honestly tell them.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how the housework's either.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what it does.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Isn't they changed how the houseworked?

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I truly do not know but he doesn't really like do and yeah, like if he's supposed to be the

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_05]: POV character because he's the first person that like we see and it's like I get it.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_05]: He likes the rules and stuff.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, like Azacaze, like so he's okay.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'll just read his title with the rules and you can tell because he wears glasses.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, his real like, where you coded?

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess that's who he's supposed to be.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, he's got the power of a little house.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what that means or what it is.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_05]: He means he's a millennial if he has the power of a little house.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I alone can conquer the housing market with my little house.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, my 12% interest rate.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's the power of a new yorker.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_05]: But he doesn't really do anything throughout the whole plot or at least not definitely not enough to justify

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_05]: him being like as prominent as it feels like the other wants him to be.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_04]: He mostly exists to be Alba's bro.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So this series made me feel like okay.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So this guy really likes Shaman King because Azacaze is basically Monta from Shaman King.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Except taller.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the same thing where it's this POV character who's like way

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Lamer than the actual main character.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, sometimes kind of be useful except not because he does nothing.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It's unfortunate because like we should have like things to enjoy about him that are different from

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Quorumory and I just kept thinking like okay, so but he just does he literally truly

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_05]: truly does not do anything like I didn't go back and like make sure that that was true.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_05]: But I just in my mind's eye, I'm going over everything that I remember and I swear you can't

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_05]: remember him doing anything other than supporting Quorumory.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's the thing it's one thing to have a fish out of water character who's like an audience surrogate

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It learns things except you then have to have that character do things.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, have a different perspective sure but have that inform the plot he could even be a reactionary character

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_05]: but do something like react yes do something anything.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_03]: They just thought which is genuinely forgets the exist for a large part of this series.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: He exists solely so that the other characters have somebody to talk to in order to dump exposition.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because he's also the only POV because they wiped them we're going to put the wipe the mind of every other character in this series.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I hate that shit.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so stupid.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I fucking hate anyway Jordan why don't you tell us about checking a doughbook.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so this is Alba Cuda Morty aka yo Asakura.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know like he's just kind of a lame slacker dude who's from the mountains but he's got a really tragic backstory

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and an evil twin brother oh wait I'm talking about yo Asakura again.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But he's not he's got like a demon inside of him I guess.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And fuck I don't know he's just lame like I like it all offers like well I have to do this whole let's convince the demon inside of him.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I need to be my friend.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I don't have a hunter chapter to do any sort of asshole character to vomit let's have one conversation and fix the problem.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So what you're telling me is that he could have already been here if you took him to one session of therapy.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_05]: So this was I was thinking like you didn't even try to do this before and try to do this before and try to do this.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_05]: He's like wait you can talk to them.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_05]: That's insane.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I was blown away how quick that happened.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I also thought it was really funny how they do it by sealing away his Cassani temporarily and it's just like wait you could just do that.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this whole time you could just do that like.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: The good point what they manufacture conflict.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Why didn't we ever try that before?

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Like temporarily okay so you just redo it every now and then.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_04]: This is this offer didn't think about things.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_03]: No but yeah and he has an evil twin brother.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He sure does they did he sure does.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And he also has someone who he calls his grandma but then we find out isn't his grandma and I'm not really.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I never really understood who she was and I'm pushing out wasn't the one who had to talk about her but I'm talking about their cool grandma whose name I also forgot to write down.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: They just call her grandma all the time.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: What does she's in her 30s but her legal name is grandma and that's why they call her grandma?

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: That would be funny or I wouldn't want that actually.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I think her first name is grandma and her last name is exposition because that's what she does.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes grandma exposition.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay so you're also ripping off Dondedon where you have this very useful badass grandma character which I know Dondedon didn't exist but it is very clear your contemporary that also did this trope.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Again though David whatever that whatever you're saying she is functionally filling the role of Anna from Shaman King.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah where she trains the fuck out of yo and I think forces him onto to do some stuff like just being like a total like hard ass and like explaining what's going on to the audience.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what Anna does that's what grandma does except worse.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I think though there's nothing else to say about the character.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey!

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But in fact anyone tell me who that character on the first chapter in the color art there is a lady who I don't think ever actually shows up in this manga put it on the first cover.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I know exactly who she is.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that the rock and roll girl?

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_04]: That is the rock and roll girl and I will tell you why it's because it is extremely clear that the author was going to make her more important but ran out of time and he forgot.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_04]: That's sad and funny.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It is so clear to me because she's the only one who she shows up in multiple chapters where it doesn't make any sense for her to do that unless the author was trying to get you personally to know about her.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like the actor guy ever shows up again.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but shows up in three chapters the idol.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I actually had him here and I deleted him.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He tells nothing.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah but I think we're already starting to rant about this series.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into why I failed.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So Moogie as our honor guest, can you tell us what were some things you did not like about the series from the beginning probably like all of it.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know like I really don't want to be because to be honest I mean I guess I'll get into that when we talk about what it did well but like yeah from the jump I was like alright what are you doing.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_05]: What are we like what's the cause they're we're feeling like a monster the weak type thing and it just kind of like drug for me it really did and I was waiting for it to get.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like it did eventually pick up for sure but then when it picked up it was so like edgy and like I was like like it picked up and like such a direction you know I wanted some more nuance or something.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I wanted some more from the bad guys and like I don't know I just didn't get it man.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I just did not get it.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah even the bad guys are so paper you have the evil twin brother and then you have like the wife guy villain which is also like every series has the wife guy villain in it.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh you mean Sean and Kay?

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it's a freeze.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even think about that until now that the wife guy bad guy is like a very solid stare.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: It's pretty evil.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It's pretty evil.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It's fine.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay if you're going to have a bad guy be like that just like you know I'm just evil then I would okay then

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_05]: okay sure make that the twin brother at least make him like interesting I guess but just for every bag I like there's nothing to like I don't know man.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_04]: There's no one wants anything else like what's happening here to me the thing that really just killed this manga was the pacing like this manga is past and tells it story it reminded me of a non racist Tokyo Shinobi squad.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But the fact where it's like ah nothing's happening until oh man something's happening and then it's over the chapter with the school idol or whatever they introduced him and then he's like

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_04]: ah you know I'm an actor I'm really good actor you know things are good and then like halfway through it's like but actually I feel a lot of pressure oh man now I'm a cassani hey that's my dad and the audience I'm going to go kill him oh it's over.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey what's up and done?

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we wiped everyone's mind so there's no lasting impact of that story arc.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so fast and they do that a lot like it's like through this is crazy.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: This is like such a common thing I understand the impulse to do this you don't want to bore your audience.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I get it I totally do but you need to take time with this shit because otherwise none of it matters.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's no buildup you have to do buildup you have to like really you have to make your audience care.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah that was what I was going to say you have to make us care never did I care.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy because the first six chapters are literally plot trading water and then the author's like oh fuck yeah I should have a plot should.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's in 10th of the last 10 years.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a little mevel brother and it's like dude it's too late.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Bro it's too late I don't get a care anymore.

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah also like they completely can't rid of I think having like a shadow eliminator club is a fun idea and then they just completely ban it because they're like do.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh here's like the actual police of this like issue so we're really actually not doing anything useful when there's professionals very actively

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: dealing with the same issues we're trying to tackle.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: They abandoned a lot of things remember in the first chapter how they were like yeah these shadows they have hollows you got to find the hollows and go inside of there.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even fucking remember that yeah exactly don't remember.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I remember only because I knew I was like I'm bad he's good at he's he got in trouble for that that's bleached like he I'm sure he dropped that specifically because he was like.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I'll leave that alone.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I showed it to him legal.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was like chill too.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh god, but the series just it drops so much.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And by the way every explanation of what was going on was more confusing than the last they were like oh the threads come in from the other world which is like here's a venn diagram explaining how the other world relates to our world and like you know we overlap and like the the threads go in here and then you can like wrap up all the threads and this little thing you said when you can't and then the threads are taken in by like negative feelings and there is just a player like what the fuck is going on.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea what is happening.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not even fun confusing like JJK where you go in you're like I'm not going to get any of this but let's fight.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe a single fucking person knows how the last 30 chapters are JJK no one knows they do not don't believe them if they say that because they do not believe a single person knows how the JJK power system works.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Nope not at all.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just up as a vindicating where I just give it up trying to understand JJK.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh long time ago.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I gave up that's so sad.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_05]: You're not alone.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Also that there is even further confusion when it turns out that the shadows can be used like a virus that is like injected through a color.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I just I that's when I was like when I saw that syringe is stuff like with that was just like I don't I don't think I get it anymore.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I also want a different direction to get back to the characters there is no character to them makes up for some very fake character to them in a double.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: As a cause we never understand why he is so motivated why he's a school president we don't see his family we don't see him do a single thing that's not hanging out with his boyfriend.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like they don't feel like real characters.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: There is one panel where he talks to his big sister who we don't see and he mentions like in the first chapter it seems very important that his grandfather was a cop who got killed.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, it is never ever brought up or commented on after that.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I remember the most was is because I remember remembering that specifically like okay Eugene is grandfather like just as a reference point but the thing with it like say which one of my JJK but at least with that like that comes back and Eugene mentions it again and then it's like you know this is the impetus for me doing all of this so I kept that in mind thinking alright so this is probably you know why he's so lame at least or something but like no nothing happened.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So stupid alright does anyone have any more negatives or shall we actually have to talk about some positives.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Just the execution was not great.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Just yeah poor execution but you know what the execution of this podcast is fantastic so let's get into what it was.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So mokey keeping being positive train by yeah so tell me your go for it.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I did really like the well really I'm okay let me let me back that up just a tad.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: What thing did you hate the list is what it sounds like.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I did think that the art was good I thought it was solid when I started reading and then the character designs to then but then I started looking more into the character designs and I was like why does he have a tribal tattoo that's why would there be a teenager that was allowed to get that of course we learn more about it but still from the beginning I was like it's not a tattoo it's a mark excuse me.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: He said that and I was like whatever that sounds like some sovereign citizenship.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah yeah that I was like whatever to sure but yeah I liked to go me was I don't know the girl I like I did like her I thought she was funny.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I would have liked her more if we hadn't read multiple manga before this we're a character just talks through their puppet.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: This is apparently a common trope.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh wow.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: No it's true like what had happened again here I'm like again.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh god how many other times has it happened I just think of Digimon Tamer as when you say that yeah there is at least one I don't remember the title there's one I immediately think of and then I feel like there was another one can you describe it David you might remember the title where it was like that guy with like the brothers who never mattered again who was like a bad wanted to be like a shown in jump off their boat was bad and then yeah.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah the guy who has the scroll that turns into a gun.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wait.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That is uneronked with the best part of that series this guy has the ability to turn animals into guns.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That's so funny.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was Tacama Garra.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah Tacama Garra got to scrolls into guns.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: That's one of those series where half of it is pretty good and then the other half is very not.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I liked the art even more than you did I actually really enjoyed the art.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that the Cassana's got a little bit sany until they started like using with them I thought those designs were pretty cool.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Even if the whole thing reminded me of hollows and hollow designs from bleach to be clear but the thing about toga me is she could tribute it to like the one really good joke that I saw in the series where she's fighting.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_04]: What it what's your name yeah she's on the hot girl.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_06]: The other shit girl with the that was with the.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_06]: The other thing that I was in the.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_04]: The fuck's your name oh he saw me she's fighting his.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And she goes up to give like this kick it she like raises up her foot and he saw me just like wait you're not wearing any and then gets kicked it's like oh.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like you're not wearing any underwear.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like okay that's pretty good.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_05]: She's cool she's quirky she's cool and for some reason she doesn't wear underwear like a best character to me I'll take it.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah absolutely.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Very important to her character to film it she doesn't wear underwear.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I see there was a brief mention that Nagito is a ciscon and it matters for two panels.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah got somebody tries to make I actually did kind of like this moment where a guy tries to make him like hallucinate that his little sister is here and she's like oh big brother big brother and he like just easily like knocks her away and he's like how did you know and he's like because my little sister has never been that nice to me.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_03]: That was pretty great.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I do also feel like the demon position being a metaphor for mental illness was a very interesting idea and probably was the secret sauce to what could happen a more creative approach to this idea because it's like very clearly supposed to represent like anxiety with the actor or depression with that person in the first chapter.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think obviously gave up on this idea but he at least was trying to make it at least seem like a metaphor for something more interesting.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_05]: If they would have kept going with that that could have been a way it would have been different from like bleach and JJK or not maybe not different because they kind of do the same thing but they don't play into it.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I really want to like what read a series or watch a series where they really lean into that and they go into that I think that'd be really cool.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah sounds like let's get into work on the one last thing is I think we can also all agree as we mentioned before the family and art all of like the fundamentals are pretty solid and it gives me good help for this offer for the next series.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Really feels like this guy needs to stop writing manga and just be an artist.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he do good! It's like just have a better writer tell this guy what to draw he'll be good he'll be golden.

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[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And so Jordan though, what seems after you something that you would ever rise about this series to have made it a success?

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's the thing. This series was 100% going to make the rock girl be important.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: She was gonna be like the third main character and then he just didn't know what the fuck to do.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So like you couldn't even bounce to character.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_04]: He couldn't bounce to characters. First of all, I would have absolutely made it so that like it was more difficult for Kuramori to deal with the kassane and asakaze had to help.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Like asakaze added in something.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Like asakaze mattered okay.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Bottom line is I would have made a series where asakaze fucking mattered at all or did something.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. They go from being enemies to best friends way too quickly. I would have liked that tension to kind of build up a bit for them to be so opposite for sure.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I want.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I just kind of felt like like you start a series. Like if it would be like if you started Naruto from soccer as POV, that would just be so confusing.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I think.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: This series does it follows the flop structure that I noticed where you know the main character gets like meets a guy who's

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_04]: who he would like to be his brother and the guy likes him and sees that he's talented for no fucking reason that we've been able to see.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And then like the rest of the series is us watching through the POV character about how cool that guy is.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is like I feel like half the manga we cover here.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's pretty fair to say, George.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So I lit a two before I think a really solid idea would have been if they had continued to play up because at first they're like we're gonna be the club.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: The fights monsters and I'm like, all right cool. They will have some like kids on bikes, you know working, you know having to avoid the cops or like the real pros obviously doesn't happen.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that would have been cool is like what if they were like the therapy club and like really went in on that whole monster's mental illness.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously it's not like we killed the monster.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Your depression is gone, you know? It's like, but it's your path towards like discovering how to solve things or they're like we defeated the worst part of it, but to truly get rid of it you have to work on yourself.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like imagine it was the body improvement club from a psychophighting monsters.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we all agree that we wouldn't have had their memories get wiped.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I am so mad, I don't know how the editor didn't say, hey, that's a terrible idea.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you see, I'm about lazy writing when they try and hide the magic.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And Nisha always is just so bad but to get, but to go out to what you were earlier saying just about like going into like if they were like the therapy club dude, what if it was just like smiling friends but with ghosts that would be so cool.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: God damn it.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's the best pitch I've ever heard of my entire smiling friends with ghosts.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So awesome, I would watch that.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds like an episode of smiling.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it might be.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there is the ghosts in that one episode.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a memory, I really died after you left that I'm an hell, right?

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: God, I love that show.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, I think something also they alluded to that could have been cool is they kind of talk about how important magic artifacts are and where they come from.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And what if this was like actually series about how our magic artifacts created because you never really see shows that have the systems say, but so it's like maybe which had all tier where they really get into Nick written say, you're seeing make magic artifacts.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You're the rules of this this small way where like what they have to build out falls it like imagine like a doctor stone but about magic.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that'd be sick.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because literally the main character can only fight using magic items.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I agree like I think that this series was implying that it was going to be like a club where it was like,

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_04]: oh man, we're just like two guys trying to figure it out and stuff like that but it's like bleach if the soul society showed up in like chapter five.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, where you got no time at all with each go and rookie and you just immediately, oh hey there's the rest of this all society.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, did you guys have any other ideas?

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I just think they should have tried harder man.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know like I do better as moody's feedback and do better honestly should have been better.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Do good.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_03]: This should have just made it about the grandma and it's the old lady detective agency.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_03]: The first show of the show to jump spurs the 80 year old grandma protagonist.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Dude, they should have made her actually an old woman and then I actually would have like ironically read that like, all right, what's going on grandma? What are you doing?

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd be interested.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: They have old women and de-age them fairly frequently. I mean, that's get-kai for one thing.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Gotta go on that here is what I'm saying or something like that where it's like,

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I think showing in jump needs more kills.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what David?

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm not afraid to say no, I think no one's doing it.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_05]: When you really think about it, that's right.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into miscellaneous thoughts.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: No, we're talking about other things.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I still think it's so weird every time shows up how like school idols are just like a fact of life in Japan.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: We're like, oh, you just have that famous classmate because it's been shown up in like a lot of series we've covered.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Right?

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Dude, the first time I got introduced to that was persona.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I think it was persona for I'm pretty sure and they have what was their name?

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Recess.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, it's reset.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And the way she interacts with everybody and like that's the first time I learned about it.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Then I was like, I forgot the other like anime or manga that I was looking at.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_05]: But then I just learned like, yeah, that's like a real regular thing.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that like an actual thing like in Japan like a real like regular thing that or is that just a trope that's in like anime among?

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure it's something that happens sometimes.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how common it is, but I mean like maybe they have like different.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not as easy to be privately tutored in Japan.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So they may just have to actually go to school.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, also like, you know, Japan is like you're talking about people who are only famous in Japan.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's more insular I guess than being like an international star.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So the fucking send us a comment or something about how common this is.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I would love you because I would preferly made me think like, this is like, I don't know.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't be able to on both ends like if I was a school idol and if I just had a classmate that was just like super famous,

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_05]: just standing right XPI'd be like, I wouldn't get any work done.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd be like, you guys know this is crazy, right?

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Like this is absolutely insane that they're like right next to us.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes it feels like school idol is just code for the most popular girl in school.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but this lady was like an actual celebrity.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or they guy was an actual celebrity.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they were on posters and stuff and movies and stuff too.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And resays, I'm pretty sure I was like, so this is okay, this is crazy.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Resays like a model.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And on to like they're like, they have like modeling gigs and stuff and they're like, oh, magazines and I was like, why are you in high school?

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_05]: What's going on?

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you guys ever actually read a good manga that has like a monster hunting society that like main character like gets exposed to and then joins?

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It just feels like it's just designed to be a very lazy plot.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I like half of bleach a lot.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm so glad I'm so happy with how you said that could save me.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say exactly like, yeah, I like half of bleach a lot.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I hate when it turns into oh 100 chapters went by and nothing happened.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_04]: The heart.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I hate that like nothing happens if each you go as a do a good.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I loved like getting to know the characters.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd like that monster of the week format in the beginning and then like the soul society happens and it's like, okay, this is interesting.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I mean, I would even say I kept going, but I don't know just something happened and it's just like, alright, so this is not like nothing's really happening.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm telling you they get to Hweko Mundo and then you get hundreds of chapters where just nothing happens.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just a retread of soul society.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just soul society but worse.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That is true.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Literally it's just like, hey, did you like soul society?

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll guess what?

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_05]: We're doing it again, baby.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh god.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_03]: God.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, I thought it was kind of weird that there was no kidnapping cold open to the mansion storyline that felt like there was no setup.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: They were just like, oh, there's been kidnapping since I've just showing us a kidnapping.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I would have been more impactful.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why they did it.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, they just expected us to be like, oh, they'll be on board with this.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_05]: No one likes kidnapping.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_05]: We don't have to show it.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_05]: That's fine.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You know another reason why the, um, why the amnesia plot line was so stupid is that they established in the first chapter how this could happen without normal people noticing.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_04]: They go into another world where they fight because the katakasana.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So you could already have it where like, yeah, the people involved are aware of it but nobody else knows.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like that right there.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_04]: That is kind of how you do that without the fucking amnesia shit.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like putting a hat on a hat, like you don't need both.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so stupid.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Also, like, um, how was he not part of the official shadow eliminators?

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm so confused by that.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was like, oh, he's all alone but stuff.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But no.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's great.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's well besides his grandma.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, his grandma was an official shadow eliminator.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He was a part of the shadow limiter.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_04]: His HQ.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_04]: He grew up there.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But Nagito shows up and it's like, you are in unlicensed shadow eliminator that doesn't work here.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, what are you talking about?

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_05]: What are you doing with your like, that's, that's actually so funny.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I hung ghosts but like this just like, I just do that sometimes too.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not like licensed or anything.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's also like the HQ is aware he exists.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_04]: You're acting like he's just some dude who you saw for the first time and he's like,

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Whoa, who's that guy?

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_04]: We don't know who he is.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_04]: He grew up there.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, my god.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_04]: His teacher works there.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, fucking strange.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, oh, I forgot to tell you about that thing that you already knew about.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: No, but not just grandma.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_04]: He has an additional master who shows up in like the third to last chapter.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, the book guy who works there.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Like nearly their races, memories.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my god.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Before we move on, let me read some maxi B thoughts.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Shadow luminaires is a rarety in modern show and jump.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It was canceled and removed from the magazine before I got my god.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's clear in volume one that the all heard who this well in advance and dedicated to space

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: to being thankful for her what they did receive.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: They got serialized and jump got fan letters.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she gets three volumes published.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, you know what?

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It's three more than I've had.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what?

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So I have had a one shot published online.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_03]: About basketball grandma on that note of crazy grandma manga.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, David wrote a manga called basketball.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the way we just don't explain the comic.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, wish, my god.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Just keep reading.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Jordan, why did you tell her guests about the manga?

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, please.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_04]: David made a manga about a grandma who is extremely tall and used to play basketball.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Jordan did an awful job as he normally does.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's called I can't fall in love.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I forget the name we want with, but I just got basketball grandma, but it was like,

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't fall in love because of my six foot four former NBA or my former professional basketball player grandma.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's literally about a girl who tries to fall in love with guys and keeps getting cock blocked by her giant grandma.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I was about to say, please, as the more you talked, I was like, do not say another word just send me the manga.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't, I would do not say the more you kept talking.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, stop, please.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_05]: This is, I must experience this myself.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my god.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Then yes, we have covered it on shown and flop on the picture of people when I hear Joe.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you'll have a manga.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I wrote.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Shout out to taper, clip, you drew it.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is where MaxiP notes while I was finishing my notes on this series.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I had to got no to fight psych house got canceled.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh god.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Kermorace design is based on the Cayman rider characters which is great.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_03]: The grandma has seen the error change four times so she is super old because I have to make her at least

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_03]: 112.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So she is actually a legit certified Gmail gulf.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: She knows.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So respect the hustle Jordan.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_04]: If she's like over 112, that's like a GGG milk.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_03]: No, that's the next series we're reading.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_04]: That does sound like a fucking anime title, though.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_04]: GGG milk.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it does.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just imagining if grandma detective agency the translated title just somehow spells out

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Gmail or gulf.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Gmail's Gundam.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Grammas, mysterious, inclusion, investigation, investigation, liaison.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Force.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Dude, I want them to be confused.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I want them to be there like, where's all these ghosts again?

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_03]: What if that's like my thing I can only write manga about grandma's?

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a talent really.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely in the same suit of mac universe as basketball grandma.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_03]: She's the head of basketball really.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Super natural.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to beat these guys.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to beat these ghosts in a 3-B3 game.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_03]: For the record, the second, if I ever made a second basketball grandma, it was going

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to be her cock-blocking her daughter on a date at the zoo and she just intimidates the

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: giraffes with her height.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: David, that would be the second manga we read about basketball playing ghosts.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh fuck, you're the most of me.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not talking to you.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Dude.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me finish this up.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The Ventilica Skirl appeared in the offer short series, Karama, Divine Beastkeeper and then

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Max will be also specifically notes from profile page also refers to her as a mysterious

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_03]: big baby girl.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's make them laugh and follow you, Max include Doodles, Character Profiles, Afterwords,

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Small Eploc, Comic, that's three pages so I guess we'll have to check that out.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_03]: How to make the paper back puppet?

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And some one shots that became Shadow Lemonators.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That's cute.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, follow us to a Vintative Final verdict, alright?

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get through some six or two hours from the community.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, Muggy team mind with your fantastic, you know, honey to the ears voice,

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_03]: team on reading, Lisa.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Tucker says, Peter Beck character designs nothing underneath.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Maxi B says a Shadow of Better Exorcism Monk.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Artil says, wait guys, this isn't Persona 3.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I actually really like that one.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He's...

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just thinking that too, like, oh, I am the Shadow of the true self.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Or a Paladin, isn't this that New Sonic movie?

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Ha ha ha.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Both says, I'll eliminate your Shadow.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Shadow Eliminator was...

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Ha ha ha.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Ah, Blah Mumu says, nearly eliminated overshadowed by everything else.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Chicken Warlord says best left on red in the dark.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, don't read it in the dark.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_05]: He's so strong.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Leave it in your room, turn the lights off and never read it.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Dacterson says, Shadow inside of you, okay, Chuni-Bu, inside of your T-Shadows, both of them are eliminated.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Ha ha ha ha.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Bok, that's really a shit of my 6%.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Diego says, they eliminate shadows, not see phantoms.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Picture of Mr. Fantastic and the thing from...

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Ha ha ha ha ha.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_05]: If you go on our discord, you can see the pictures that P.I. have noted in these 6ward

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Summeries.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm less than, let's see.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Duda Rocks, the Earth Child stands says, you can't eliminate the ultimate life-form pictures

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Shadow.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Bunky Act 4 says they really did eliminate those shadows.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: That they did.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Glorなく Iron Spawn says, well, at least it's over now.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Ha ha ha ha ha.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I did feel the same way actually, unfortunately.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Great potter says, instructions unclear, eliminated Shadow from memory.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Duda Rocks, the remarkably pessimistic.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Esechi Sinsae Sommises, first chapter title drop, thread eliminated.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Ha ha ha.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_05]: No, let's see.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_05]: JRPG Astrologist says, black hole sun, oops.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a good one.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Oops it's done.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Black hole sun, oops it's done.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Capped clueless says, eliminates interest or your money.

[00:45:51] Ha ha ha ha ha.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Nice.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Ha ha ha ha.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Lord Anubus says, let me guess your bleach inspired.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for your Vimper's new grip.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Ha ha ha.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_05]: L. Yes.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is so good.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Luffy 0321 says,

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Boojo she bait ruined by nothing but Boojo she what's it?

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I forget.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Boojo she if those are like elder, older women that I think,

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_03]: because the series did have a lot of yowie baiting in it, which I actually forgot to put in my notes.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just like an action that's like a older woman in like 30s that aren't married that are like kind of a little horny.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, looking for some good yowie times.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's just like a demographic of readers.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Ah, got you got you got you got you got you got you.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like older women who like yowie.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh god that's what Boojo is.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh wow.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm learning.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It sounds close enough.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's see then.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Maru says, gasly undertakers not delighting at manga.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh shit we ended up in the south.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're out we're down in the by you now.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if I can believe we're out there.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you like queer bathing Miss Maga was?

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_05]: That on ironic we would have made the plot better.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It would have been something.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, that's that's the way we would have fixed it is.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_03]: If Miss Maga was way gay or would have been better.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It might have explained why they were friends all of a sudden.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_03]: One of this manga was literally that tweet or is like people be posting how they're fighting their demons.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It just turns out they're bisexual.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the entire feet of the manga.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It's all three of that that's that's his speech at the beginning.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I just can't forgive myself.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And so that's why I can wield the kassani and then this everyday he looks at the mirror like

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gay damn it.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you re-cure Rikovashi where this character?

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The main character of genuinely says I keep my scar so every day I wake up and see him with fresh hatred.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Jordan I talked about imagine a parody where a guy just has his head too on his forehead.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That says they killed your dad.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_03]: The men's house?

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I keep just a case off of get my tragic backstory every day I wake up and I remember damn.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Just in case after I defeat the enemy I get amnesia every time.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Just in case I think I deserve happiness I look at this tattoo.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when the sims are for funny and Homer like the smoking a ton of weed and he had to give it up

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And Marjus like why do you keep that blunt as a reminder on the blunt?

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It says dentists too.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh god.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_04]: You'd win the sims and smile man.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And the sims were good they were so fucking oh god.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_05]: That's amazing.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Real says oh boy another bad bleach clone that is true.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_05]: S. Bobby says even worse than bad for getably mediocre.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Scott says oops I forgot I read this.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Spikes says oh my god one point two terraformers worth of creativity.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay let's see the wig.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_05]: What?

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_05]: The wig yeti?

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I have no idea he just come yeti.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_05]: The wig yeti the wet yeti.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to say it's the wet yeti.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Shadow slashing students sustained subpar storyline.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I just want you to know I highlighted this and tried to change the font and I couldn't.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It's because it's not a font it's literally special characters.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_05]: That's conqueror's hockey right there.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It's conqueror's hockey right there.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And she can't stand the stability.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah can't change that.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the that's the sorry is devil fruit ever but the wet yeti got it.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_05]: He was like yeah.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_03]: That's Nick is on font.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah you can't change by foot.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It's devil fruit just let him skip five years of art.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my gosh the wolf the wood the ultra fogger says

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Eliminators failed still have my shadow.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's never mind do you have stupid delegates.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I told you or if we ever did one piece RPG again I wanted to do a guy who had a mythical zone

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_03]: that was Santa Claus.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god that's so funny.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I would be such a stupid fucking mythical zone.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You guys go on I'll handle this.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Any transforms looks like Christmas is coming early.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I hear all on the naughty list.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm surprised there isn't already like a one piece like version of Santa almost like.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: There was kind of alluded to in choppers arc where he's applying reindeer and some

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: scene that is true.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_03]: There's an entire reindeer character that's an illusion that Santa Claus and my Lord they're

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_05]: definitely is like I like to think that like they're definitely is a Santa Claus for sure for sure

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_05]: just like in art though like there's an injured Jesus like there's gotta be Santa.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_03]: The end of class camping is not a mythical zone for it because he's really

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah yeah I want that to be dialogue.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Luffy's like you can't be a zone.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_05]: What are my presents come from if you're just like a zone fruit?

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Luffy just knows Santa Claus and he just has never been shot.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how odor was so good where Luffy said oh I just know whenever asked that

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: asus and biological related to people rotters is this dad and he got away with that line

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and I logically that is my favorite like recurring joke of Luffy just knowing things

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and he's just like you never asked so I never said it like I don't know.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah Garps my grandpa. Sorry don't want to ever ask to my grandpa.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_05]: It's within his character because he's so stupid but like they should not let him get away with

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_03]: that shit. It's amazing that's the thing is Oda is so couldn't writing that would be

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_03]: terrible writing and almost any other series who will hold details like that but Oda

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_05]: is able to actually make that work with Luffy because as soon as he's around people

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_05]: where it matters like he's just like oh yeah drag it my dad like with a vankov like

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_05]: everyone else he would have no reason to like ever mention that but he's like oh yeah you

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_05]: know I'm oh yeah I guess he's my dad or something I don't know anyway.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a drag and shoved to Ace's execution Ace's school rotters is dad.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh I think I saw a new dad already. Oh well don't tell anybody wait his school

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Roger you're dead not ah nah the revolutionary dragon is my dad.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Do this to the swathlete man in the world is my dad.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Then he's like oh wait yeah don't tell anybody though like it's like you just told a

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_05]: full of every all right. I absolutely would love to keep talking the shit about one piece

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_05]: but we have to finish this podcast. Gotcha let's see Thor says rest and be's paper bag girl

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_05]: true she was my as she was my wife who let's see watch tower well it's an exercise manga again

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_03]: extra a bill more from ground. All right so and then mine is four plot hooks with Yowie B or

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_03]: alternatively exercise manga didn't need to extra exist. Hey don't know which one of those

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_05]: deeper for the first one is just like actual like like that's what happened and in the second one

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_05]: is like I would that's a denim to strip joke that I would like I like that one.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I take it I'll take it and then Jordan what was your six words summary? It was um please eliminate

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_03]: my shadow shadow will eliminate her son. Okay see Jordan already used this joke about the chaos

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_03]: testicles in a prior episodes so we couldn't do it again. Yeah which was I think your six

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_03]: summary the year last year but that was my best one yeah. Yep and then Mugi. Sorry popo's year.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Mine was just oh not that good could be better like I just not as fun. I want to come up with

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I really like the idea of somebody a character thinking that the shadow will eliminate her

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_05]: literally eliminate your shadows so he like goes up to them and is all right I'll give you $50

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_05]: if you make this son of a pitch go away. You just point to the shadow and they're like that's not

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: we don't. We had that I mean somewhat say she should leave this manga in a dark room so

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: he read speech just turns the lights up and erome that's how he eliminates all the shadows.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_05]: That's probably my favorite one honestly like literally leave it in the room turn the lights off

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_03]: never touch it again. Oh man all right and then do you guys think this is is this a flop or a

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_03]: certified flop is the debate certified flop all right yeah so Mugi the deathfinition is

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_05]: would you say this is bad or terrible? I'm I didn't like it but I could see how someone would get

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_05]: invested but just where it goes and then ultimately where it ends I would say there's just just let it go

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_05]: basically I guess certified. It's definitely not the worst thing I've ever read but I hate listing that like

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_05]: that's not a compliment like if I were an author and someone told me that that would be like so you just

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_03]: insulted me like wholeheartedly so I never like saying that yeah this is so mediocre it's offensively

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_03]: mediocre I think it's a good one yes exactly since I thought this was bad I'm actually going to say

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I thought it was a regular flop because Jordan at least the art what in pacing and it

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: wasn't offensive so I think this is really bad but not a trotis. Oh I thought the pacing was a

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_04]: trotis. I just feel like I've read things way worse than this. The story telling was terrible to me

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_04]: so I respect your opinion there I think the story but the way the execution was miserable. I mean like

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_04]: you can argue oh it wasn't offensive sure but it was terrible in my mind I think it was because

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_03]: it wasn't gay enough for you. Yeah that's why so I will say though that you should read any other

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_03]: extra smogger besides this you can fucking read Phantom Seer and at least you can enjoy the

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_03]: dummy mommy in there. You don't say how about you Jordan watch it some of the checkouts that

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_04]: of this. Hey do you like the idea of a guy with demon powers who has white hair and his evil

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_04]: twin brother who also has white hair and a demon inside you should play devil make cry 3.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_04]: There enough yeah but not del micry too. No don't play devil make cry 2. Delo make cry 1 is

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_04]: also great it's just there isn't an evil twin brother in that really. The kind of is with

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_04]: he's just kind of eluded do. And then mookie how about you what should someone check out instead

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_05]: of reading this? Oh dude persona persona 3 4 and 5 just play them just go through all three of those

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_05]: that infinitely better than this. And three recently got remade yeah yeah in fact check out three

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_05]: first probably it's probably the most like this I suppose. Yeah where they shoot themselves in the

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_03]: head. Yeah it was never controversial for some reason. Yeah okay that's crazy and then Jordan

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: you saw this was certified I thought it was regular flop so that means it is definitely not the

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: best or worst series we've ever read. No I agree I don't think it's the worst thing we've ever read

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I just think it is terrible. This is on the off-brass galon of certified flops I feel for you. Did

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_04]: you say escalon S. elevator okay this is a escalator. Okay for escalator. Yeah for escalator

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_03]: you escalator that's what I thought I'm using the European expression. All right let's get

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_03]: in a wrap up moogie I wish we had infinite time and it's ox you probably not about this but about one

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_03]: piece. Thank you so much for joining us I've had a blast can you tell the audience where they can find

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_03]: more of you in their life or sorry where they can find more of their content added to their life.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_05]: That was been it that's a wonderful way to put that where could I find more of you in my life it sounds

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_05]: like they're just like such a sondry thing to say well I hang out with the bar mostly drinking the

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_04]: way my sorrow's and you know I feel like if I could rearrange the alphabet I'd put I and you

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_03]: together. Yeah when you're not doing your full-time job of narrating documentaries what are over here

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and they find you. You could find me at the bar or at the museum also getting drunk. You could find me

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_05]: at the club bottle full of Bob come give me a hug yeah I've just had the my YouTube who you are

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_05]: know goofy check me out um but or you know this shown in flop this was an amazing time honestly and

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_05]: this was a very funny experience I wish we could have um I mean I guess this was the appropriate

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_05]: level of quality to make like the conversation what it was. Hopefully we could do it again with a story

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_05]: that you know fills us with more than the feelings that we had today maybe we could maybe we could

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_05]: do that but I had a great time I don't want to forget that. I'm so glad he will definitely try

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: fine time to have you back on hopefully for something better than this. Yeah I asked him to say

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: props to Jordan for making the opening and theme being a great ghost and helping if that didn't

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_04]: thank you David for all the hard work that you do on this podcast including uh put in the structure

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[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_03]: the mystery box join what are our two pieces of bonus content this month for your wonderful patrons.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah David so we are checking out the uh... angriest manga that I've ever read which is also

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_04]: um if this was a flop then the manga we're covering right now on that uh bonus podcast

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_04]: is an ultra super flop because it only went for one chapter yeah

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_03]: good god oh yeah this is cheat slayer got a love it

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and we're joined by the like Brad aka isa kaisensei yeah with the great Brad aka isa kaisensei

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_04]: also this month's uh mystery content we are setting up our dream smash brothers roster you know

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_03]: for uh shown in flot sounds good to me and if that's on enough other perks include picking

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: a manga for us to cover at a main episode episodes up to a week in advance and behind the scenes

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_03]: content like our warm up audio or recording notes i also want to read off some of our wonderful

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_03]: patrons i want to start by reading out for dolphin dads a passion for flesh absorbing

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: mescalonia part of you blue black lips salivating as we kiss okay i was your warm act and Rachel

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_03]: my wonderful wife we're about to go have a taco bell day and use more of those coupons i got

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_03]: almost dying at taco bell yeah right oh right on dude moving on to the review later where you

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_03]: get weekly pictures of my adorable burnadoodle review league she has started tucking herself in bed

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_03]: but now it's cold so now she only puts her nose out of the cover so it's really just like the

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: blood like the bottom quarter of her nose sticking out while she sleeps now oh yeah by the way um uh

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_04]: spooky last year at some point David almost died when like a piece of ice at taco bell almost

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_04]: like went through his head yeah and this may be like maybe two or three oh yeah so they sent me a

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_03]: coupon book of four of thirty free taco bell items wait oh whoa i thought you were talking about

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_05]: like something with food boy no it's completely that's fall they almost murdered you and it gave

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_05]: you three free tacos that's so yeah it's not well I didn't get hit so that's why couldn't

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_05]: sue oh my gosh i would man i don't know i'm i understand i guess i wouldn't i would i mean i

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_05]: obviously would take those thirty tacos but i would be every time i came back there i'd be like

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: you know it y'all almost killed me that's crazy i don't go to that talk about the routine the coupon

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah but where was what what do you mean like an icicle that's like a like what were you

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: an Antarctica what i imagine um so it was the soda fountain in the ice the ice conveyor belt

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: wasn't properly secured and part of it fell out of the ceiling that's so much more interesting

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: well about ten feet in front of me dude you oh my god it's crazy so almost died at taco bell

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_05]: in a different way two people usually almost died if yes i would have never it was not food related

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_05]: bro i would be so hot if i woke up in heaven like what if what happened what it like yeah

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_03]: didn't even apologize i had to go to corporate and complain a bunch to get that coupon book

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: cheese is cries are you bro i dead as that almost died at taco bell oh my god i would be

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_05]: thirty tacos yes are we almost killed you uh shadow no here's thirty tacos whatever

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: it's about how much my life is worth yeah i'm worth about twenty so i negotiated really well

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: oh my god so anyway anyways also you can get free revially magic the gathering tokens i have made

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: we have Chris eva genet Davis lady tea mat scarlet tea Tiffany and Trevor moving on down to the

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_03]: king of the forest we have zero nine zero z bandits do my girlfriend Brad who is our guest on our show

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: um chat Ivan Jacob Justin Haffner Kirby Montmarty Riley Sarah T. Wolfwood and Tommy Boy in a big

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: thank you to our galactic ball federation officers and our beast children thank you i love you all so much

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: oh man all right anything you want to see in their Jordan show mission ignition yeah podcast about

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_03]: something of vampires let's get into sign up thank you so much for joining us tune in next Monday

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: as we give our first thoughts on green green greens this has been David this has been Jordan

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: this has been moogy and even listening the show in flop keep our flop at floppers yeah bye have a beautiful