#112.5 First Thoughts on Two on Ice

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[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Shonen Flop Chibi! First Impressions mini-episode where we talk about the first chapter of the series. We'll be covering in-depth next week with our guest, Jan, the official series translator.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah, we know people love us having official translators on the show so we try our best to get when we can.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And by people I mean us, because we love having the official translators. It's great!

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jordan and with me today as usual is my lovely co-host David. Say hi David!

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi David!

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And with Sears we're covering this week, David!

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I should've given you a chill response because we are covering Two on Ice, the icening.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The icening, yeah.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, it's a shame that like One on Ice never got translated, you know?

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the- or- fucking or- baruto ice.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to make some shitty baruto.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Three on Ice, that's gonna be the series next hit.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Threw on Bice, yeah.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There we go, yeah.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Just thruple on ice skates.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Threw on Ice.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell us about the series, Jordan.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is Two on Ice, it was written by Itsumo Aite.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: This ran from September 25th, 2023 to April 15th, 2024.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: 28 chapters, four volumes.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say, initially we thought it had 31 on the Shonen Jump app, there are only 28.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: This points to maybe there was a three chapter epilogue, but there's only 28 on the Jump app,

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's what we're reading.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Jordan, what happened in this first chapter?

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, David, it sounds like you want to go into the plot summary.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I always do.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's do it.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Third grader Hayuma is really good at sports and just started learning how to ice skate

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: when he goes to a figure skating competition with his mom.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: There he sees a girl who's an incredible prodigy that can do flippy jumps and shit,

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's mesmerized.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He briefly talks to her and decides that he's gonna become as good as her,

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and uses her as a role model.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He watches her on TV when she's reported on being so damn skillful, David.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But then, in fifth grade, when the world needed her most, she disappeared.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: She vanished.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Without a trace.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: For a hundred years, popcorn David.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Years later, Hayuma and his family move to Tokyo and discover a girl in an iceberg.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Hayuma spends the past few years sneaking out and practicing figure skating in secret on

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: a frozen lake, and is psyched that there are indoor rinks here.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He is quickly reprimanded for jumping, which is against the rules of free skate time,

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and he realizes that holy shit, the girl scolding him is that very prodigy.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And can I say, it seems like a very reasonable policy.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You cannot do advanced ice skating moves during free skate.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That is fair, yes, because if you fuck up, you could run into a bunch of people,

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and you guys have blades on your feet.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: She invites him to come by later so she can teach him more better, as Jordan has written.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And she notices that his techniques are like hers because he copied her moves.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: She tells him that she quit single skating because she wanted to focus on couple skating,

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and invites him to be her temporary partner.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He asks her name, and she says it's Kisara Satome, confirming that she is the prodigy,

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and is the exact same move that was used at the end of the first chapter of Don to Don,

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: which is a much better series, but has absolutely nothing in common besides that,

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: just being a trope in that first chapter as well.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true, although I will say there's a bit in common with the manga we just covered.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm thinking this guy is Taskmaster, or he has a Sharingan where if you see someone

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: do an ice skating movie, just copies it.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But my stupid idea, I was thinking about that scene in Blade where he says it's as hard as

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: ice skating uphill, and they kind of talk about that.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just thinking, what if they're ice skating uphill and Blade is just watching them

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: in astonishment?

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I do like that.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So that'll be the cover art of Jordan can't think of anything better.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Or two ice cubes, you know, I'm just saying, just two ice cubes sitting there.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That is a possibility, you know?

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to do with that information.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But Jordan, what was your first impressions of this?

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: The art is very inconsistent.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it feels kind of unfinished, unpolished.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But then there are moments where I really love this guy's shading.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of mass that he puts in there.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It almost looks like watercolor, which is impressive because it's just, he's using like an ink pen.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting because it's not bad art.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, there are parts where it's bad.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: There are parts where the art is bad.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a moment where you just have two straight up fucking stick figures talking at each other.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Which was insane.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of lack of shading at times.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of lack of shading, a lot of drawings with very little detail on them.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But every now and then, there's a drawing that's just a banger.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And Jordan has alluded, this reminds me a lot of Green Green Greens in that it doesn't because

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: this is nowhere near as good as Green Green Greens' first chapter.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but the bones are there.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: A collection of bones, you might say.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, no, I don't mean that.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you have a guy who is interested in learning from this girl who's extremely proficient

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: at her sport of choice.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And so he tries copying her.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, yeah.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Besides that, actually, no, I'm not really sure there's much in common.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's okay.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I also want to say there is a lot of text.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I've also heard complaints that it continues to have a fuck ton of text.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, great.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So Hunter Hunter, I guess, is coming back.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So get ready for that, Jordan.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: David, I have been trying so many times to catch up on Hunter Hunter, but it's like reading

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: a book and it's like it would be easier if it just was a book.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It would actually probably finish because then Togashi could actually do his whole plot

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: idea.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Because then it's like you would like you're used to reading a book like a book, but it's

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like you're reading a comic and it's like a book and it's like there's as much words

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: as a book and it's what the fuck is happening.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard to like process the whole thing.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a Game of Thrones level of complexity.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we're not talking about that.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about fucking Two on Ice, which I was like, isn't that a book?

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that the gay ice skating?

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yuri on Ice.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought about making a guess if there will be any ambiguously homosexual characters in

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the series, but it felt a little inappropriate.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because it's literally a manga about a guy and a girl teaming up versus Yuri

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: on switches.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they're just friends.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They're just friends for now.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I also want to say, man, nothing about the chapter made me interested in ice skating.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: No, me neither.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care at all.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: What's funny is that I think I cared more about ice skating than I did about golf.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't give a fuck about this.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I care significantly more after the first chapter of the green, green, greens than I do

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: after this.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the big thing about golf is you could just go play golf.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You're never going to do professional figure skating.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You can go to an ice skating rink and stuff, but like you could go play a game of golf tomorrow

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: if you wanted.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you live in a certain area, you could go and try to do this, I guess.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But professional?

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: No, probably not.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I also feel like this chapter in structure, there's so much text and it's a lot of not

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: caring about skating.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care about these characters and I really don't like how front loaded his entire

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: backstory without giving me a reason to give a shit.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I just did not care about this character's backstory this early in the series.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say I do appreciate how he's not in love with her.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he genuinely idolizes her skill.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it is still like, I don't know.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That is kind of what happened in green, green, green.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the series is going to suffer because we read probably one of the best sports manga

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that we've ever covered on the show, if not the best sports manga.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean that we covered on the show at least easily.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's also in contrast to green and greens.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: All these characters feel like ice skating robots.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no little jokes.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They only talk and only care about ice skating.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing actually makes these characters feel like people.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing really happened in this chapter.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't really any kind of conflict that was resolved.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: What a colossal waste of like 60 pages.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It does feel like a waste.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: The main plot of this chapter is man, where's this girl that I thought was really cool?

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, damn.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the girl that I thought was really cool.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: We're teaming up now.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They also say what the name of the arc is at the start of the arc.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It just felt very weird.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've ever seen that before.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Bold of them to be like, yeah, this is a whole arc.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have multiple arcs.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Jordan, though, how about you?

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything we haven't brought up yet you want to discuss?

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a little bit confusing how much he even knew about her.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: We both thought that he didn't even know Kisara's name until like literally the last

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: moment where she says her name and then he recognizes like, oh, I guess he did know

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: her name.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It is kind of odd that it didn't come up at all until then.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just poor writing and confusing.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Because then when she says her name, if we knew what her name was, it would be like,

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: oh shit, that's her.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But instead we had to get another text box where he's like, oh shit, it's her.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine if they have to fight the chimera ant.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: God.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: With ice skating.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: What if the chimera ant arc was narrated by Ron Howard?

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Then maybe I would have tolerated it.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Jordan, would you read in our 10 chapters of this?

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Nah.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Nah.

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[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And what do you think will happen next, Jordan?

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I think this is going to end up being a romance manga.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to be together.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting that vibe.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to flash forward at the end when they're big famous skaters and stuff.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And the last one is that she really left the public eye due to a tragedy.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: How about you?

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: What daring guesses?

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you know, I need points.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me get a Shonen with a male and female protagonists that are going to fall in love.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a time skip at the end.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And the main character had an incident.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: They did not fall in love in Green Green Greens.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Nor did they like fall in love in Martial Master Asumi.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the, like the main character had a crush.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It did happen in full drive though.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It happened in full drive.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And is there another one?

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, maybe.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me look at the schedule.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Did they fall in love in double arts?

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: No, at least I'm pretty sure they aren't.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wizard soul.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They did.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We're on like the last fucking page.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that was like position.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like at the first chapter, they were like, we both have a crush on each other.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Jordan, my guesses are they aren't going to explain how the main character got insanely

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: good.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Cause I think that is absolutely ridiculous.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He does not have a fucking like tell, like that's like a legit superpower.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: If you could teach himself off of recordings.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's an unfair explanation for how he got so good.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: They did say that he practiced a lot.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But you need practice and coaching because you can practice wrongly for 10,000 hours.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I also think the main male character is going to try and do a big skinny move in a competition

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he fails.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And this will not increase my interest in skating in the slightest.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I may end up caring about skating less after reading this.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that is possible.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Jordan, what's your power word?

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Cracked.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Why cracked?

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause it's an ice skating rink that is cracked cause it's not very strong or stable.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Fair.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Mine is cold cause I gave us a very cold reception.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That is true.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, ice skating has a little bit to do with cold temperatures.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, man.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Jordan, you ready for the Q and a let's do it.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's move on to that.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's now move on to the Q and a just reminder.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You can drop your questions in the show and flop discord.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Get priority to those who haven't asked a question before our patrons or haven't

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: had a question answered in a long time.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Starting with dude rocks.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: What's your favorite month?

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And what is your least favorite month?

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: My birthday is in August and I do like the summer.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to say my favorite is August as for like least favorite.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, April's kind of meh.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say I actually don't like August cause it's so hot.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Damn.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and humid.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I will say though, my favorite month.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I quite like October get to have the big spooky holiday.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's getting cold enough, but not so cold that you need to wear a jacket at all times.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: October is very good.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: October might be my second favorite.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that's not a, that's not a hot take to like October.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: No, not at all.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Next up.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Meru asks, what's your favorite place to sit and read jump?

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the toilet.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Mine is in my bed.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I like to do my shown and flop reading when I wake up before Rachel does.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's either the bathroom or my bed.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: If that's it, that's, that's kind of where I do it.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Big too.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: The main places that I am during the day.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Next up from captain clueless, what flop protagonist would run the best business and what would

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: they sell?

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about this.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, on one hand, I initially thought maybe cyborg grandpa G because I at least

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: know what he would sell its vegetables.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But on the other hand, I'm pretty sure he would scare off all business.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think that would be very successful.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel the lady from candy flurry would open a really good candy shop.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I also think BT when he got older would just be able to sell fucking anything.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, BT, I feel like would be just a straight up con artist.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he would sell.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He did steal dinosaur fossils.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that like the kid from Mora King would sell like, um, supplies to take care of bugs

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and insects.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I respect that.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, the guy from super smartphone could just sell his information for a ton of money.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He could sell information.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is true.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Next from ZZ Digital.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Which flop protagonist would create the worst manga?

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, canonically, it's the guy from Takamagahara.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He literally made a manga so bad that it like made people like it like knock people unconscious

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: or something like I was thinking the guy from fuck.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I just had it.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Jim Naruto, because it would just be extremely racist and probably star him as a huge Mary Sue

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and everyone would be like, this sucks.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The manga he made would just be Tokyo Shinobi Squad, but like with worse art.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's like really easy to be a good artist in like the world of Zan because everyone

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: is drawn so shittily?

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like if you draw if the character draws and it's cartoony, is that like photo realism?

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: David, that's a question you could ask for literally every artist in any cartoon.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, if they draw this character cartoony, is that photo realism?

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're cartoons.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Some things deal with that.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like SpongeBob, I think has live action as their cartoons, which I thought was cute.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That is.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I've noticed that.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I noticed that he watches live action stuff.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Or some do it where it's like a 2D animation and the cartoons are 3D.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's cute.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe in the world of Zan, it has to be actually photorealistic then because it is such a

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: departure from how people are supposed to look.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Next from Ooglink 20, they have what's one manga that clearly is not a flop that you

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: really think should have been a flop.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's two ways to read this.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: One is what's a manga that sucks that is very famous?

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Or the other one is what's a manga by all accounts by like how we cover manga.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_01]: What's a manga that Shonen Jump would have axed?

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, for instance, if it started today, Kanikuman 100% would have gotten axed because

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the first arc of Kanikuman is fucking horrible.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, part one of Jojo also, I don't think would have survived.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know because the weirdness of Jojo.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just bad fists in a North Star though.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I still think, fuck, what's the one about the assassin family?

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Mission family?

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I still can't believe mission family is now going to be like the third longest running

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Shonen Jump series right now.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It is?

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Not total, like running in Shonen Jump.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: When One Piece is on break and there's no 100, it is the oldest manga in Shonen Jump.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I will also say that I read the first chapter of Undead Unluck and that is bad.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're going to do an episode on that soon.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, cool.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it gets better, but...

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It started in 2019, by the way.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So Mission Family has been running for five years.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Damn.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, Chujutsu Kaisen, fuck your ending.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, no spoilers.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Just what a shit ending.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Gage definitely gave up.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Or Gage.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That sucks.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's so sad.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he really was on AWPOT for the last two years of that.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Ugh.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Finally, from Mr. Davey, if you had to make a non-action game based on a Jump manga, what

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: would you pick and what would it be about?

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Damn, who's this Mr. Davey guy?

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if it was like a fucking Candy Tycoon game about Candy Flurry.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: See, my idea was Kako and the False Detective.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a Phoenix Wright style game.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I always think it'd be more like a point and click.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's kind of what Phoenix Wright is.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It is kind of a point and click game.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, Takeki Ryusei probably would make a good Yakuza game.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Or actually, it probably could make a good strategy game.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it would probably make a good Yakuza game because the Fist of the North Star game

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: is literally a Yakuza game.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, maybe a strategy one.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, the low-hanging fruit is also sports games based on any of the sports series.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that is, as you said, low-hanging fruit.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel Mama Yu-Gi could make a really fun turn-based RPG.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I can see that.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Just make a fucking fighting game about, what's her name?

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fuck. Minerva.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that's good.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Idle fighting game.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What are the best jokes in any of the manga we've covered, by the way?

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I really wish there was precedent where he could have just made a manga about Minerva

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: after this got canceled.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It would have been better.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: How about an edutainment game about Hungry Marie?

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, an edutainment game about...

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Why am I spacing on it?

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Hungry Joker.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Or we mentioned it, I think, last week.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a dating sim based on Teenage Renaissance David.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and Ozu obviously could be like a zoo simulator.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And Doron Dororon can be like a Pokemon game.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, that sounds pretty dope if it was like XCOM style where the zoo is your base

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and then you send people in the zoo off to missions at night.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: That actually sounds really fun.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That does sound like Madagascar a little bit.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's all the time we have for questions today.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Jordan, I want to say thank you so much for all your hard work on the show.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, David, for everything that you do on the show.

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[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Jordan, what was our bonus episode this month?

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And what are we going to talk about in the October mystery box?

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: David, I finally got you to read Get a Robo.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the mystery box.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to read the pilot for Cool Shock BT.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the proto BT.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: BT before he was BT.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: BT BC.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: BT BC.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the PT BC BT.

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[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Obscure Reference.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Jordan, what's got anything for us?

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Discord and Saxis is a really good grindcore band.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a moment with my friend where he was talking about how he's trying to make money

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: off his meetup groups, and I was like, there's gotta be a way to make money off of

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: this.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, I love that show.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you should leave.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't remember the name of the show, though.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Resident Warhammer Nerd, Savia, Scott Fishler, Sybil, Silly Rookie, Simping for Senpai

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Ash, Staghorn, Taper Clip, Duck Rawatly, Wright, and ZZ Digital, and a big thank

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: you as well to our Beast Children.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I love all of you very much.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Jordan, that's all the time we have for today.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for listening.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Tune in next Monday for our full thoughts on 2Ni's featuring Jan, the official translator.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: This has been Jordan.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: This has been David.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And you've been listening to Shonen Flop.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: David, say it.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Keep on flopping floppers.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

[00:20:56] Bye.