#127.5 Five years of Shonen Flop?! Ranking everything so far 2025 edition

[00:00:00] Jordan, can you believe it's been five fucking years of Shonen Flop? No, I think you're lying actually and I'd like you to stop. It's actually been 27 years of Shonen Flop, you got it. That feels more accurate actually. It's legally can rent a car in Zimbabwe. Hell yeah. Imagine if that was actually the age of renting a car. I mean maybe it is, I don't know. Maybe you just nailed it by accident. Yeah, but anyway, welcome to this episode of Shonen Flop where I would not recommend you to listen to this as your first episode, but if you want to that's probably, whatever, you do you man.

[00:00:26] I mean, all this is the spoilers for all the other episodes. Yes, though of course this lacks the wonderful cancer in our guests, but you still will get the TLDR if we thought the series was bad. Yeah. For those of you who haven't heard one of our rankings before, Jordan and I are going to start by ranking everything we covered in the last 12 months. So we call 2025, but there is in 2024 as we do this for our anniversary, going through S, A, B, C, D, F, and double F for the things that are absolutely terrible.

[00:00:53] Jordan and I have made our own list and we're going to fight about the placement and then we're going to take that list and integrate it into our lifetime list and have a super Shonen Flop tier list of all hundred plus series that we have covered so far. Oh, yes. And Jordan, I gotta say it was a huge fucking pain in the ass to make that lifetime list, but it'll be worth it. Yeah. I also went through, did that extra TLC for the lifetime list and actually got new images for those that have had official volume translations. So stuff like I said, Gil, and now actually says I said, Gil instead of Japanese shit. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:01:23] So that made it super fun rebuilding because the icons were different. Yeah. And you had to read I said, Gil again, just to see if they changed anything. I said, Gilligan here on ice Gilligan's Island. Anyway, I don't care. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember enough about ice head, Gil or Gilligan's Island. So let's get started. We're going to go as best I can in chronological order. First of all, we have Mama Yu Yu. Yeah. So this one was tough. It was like between. And for the note, we haven't read that blog, which apparently is much better. OK, well, it's it was between B and C.

[00:01:53] I put it in C. I put it in C. OK, let's see top of C tier. Yeah, cool. Next, we have appearance of the yellow dragon. Uh, this is really bad. This one was tough. It was F or FF. FF, I think. Yeah, I put in FF. Yeah, FF. Next, we have Muddy, which I put in D tier because it's like bad, but not like offensively bad. That's exactly where I put it. I put it in D tier. Yeah, I love it. Because, yeah, it's like it's bad, but like it's got some heart to it. All right.

[00:02:21] Next, we have Yamato Gensuki, which I was nominated, if not the winner for series I most forgot we covered. Where did you put that? I mean, the very fact that I could not fucking remember it at all. I mean, that makes it FF just by real. I put it at the bottom of F, but I'm fine. Is it? Yeah, I put it F. Actually, I did put it F. I lied. Basically, I lied. Every series covered so far has had their own tier. All right. Next, we have Wizard Soul. This is in our inoffensive one. I put it in D tier. I thought, though, it's better than Muddy.

[00:02:52] I say. Yeah. No, this is really boring if you disagree with all my opinions. Yeah. All right. Next, we have Superdog Rill in the infall. Jordan, what do you think? You were the one who covered this, so I'll lead you in the D or I'll have you lead. I put it in D. I thought there were like some interesting moments in it, but I mean, it wasn't good. Now, better or worse than Muddy? Shit. I'm going to say worse. It's tough. All right. Next, we have Hands, which was what a fucking weird series. That's FF. That's fucking FF. I thought it wasn't that terrible. What makes you think it's atrocious?

[00:03:22] Atrocious. I thought it was fucking horrible. I had Hands in the bottom of D tier, so why don't we put in F tier as a compromise? Yeah. And I'll even put it after Consume. That was I think Hands was fucking terrible, but OK. Next, we have Shadow. I think it's actually Shadow. Is it Shadow Eliminators? Shadow Eliminators, FF. Why FF, Jordan? It's pretty aggressive. Because it sucks. And it's like so generic and lame. And it's just like it was just so boring and stupid.

[00:03:51] That's FF for me. Fair. It's definitely better than Yellow Dragon. I hate Yellow Dragon less, but like, I don't know. I don't know. Yellow Dragon was pretty painful. Yellow Dragon's really bad. It's varying degrees of shit. You know, it's like. Yeah. Poop from a butt. But Jordan. Yeah. You know what's not poop from a butt? It's our first series that we are going to put in the upper echelon. You know what I mean? Echelon? Yeah. Echelon. Green Green Greens. Is this S or A, Jordan? Oh, this is tough. I went back and forth. I ended up putting it in S.

[00:04:20] But like, I don't know. I always reserve S for a series that feels like a complete package, which Green Green Greens didn't. Yeah. I'm leaning A. I think A works better for it, actually. Yep. The most Canadian ranking. And then we still do in our sports series. We have two on ice. I put this in D tier for being very inoffensive, though. We could put it in the pedophile tier because it has a pedophile in it. I mean, it has an implied potentially suggested pedophile. If you read between the lines, you could like people. People talk about how like the antagonist was molested.

[00:04:49] And like, if you want, you can like read into that and pull it out. But there's no point where they explicitly say it. Like, it's a slight implication. I put it in D. OK, that's yeah, that's where I had it to. Where in D is this better or worse than Muddy? I think it's better than Muddy. OK, what about Wizard Soul? Hmm. I thought it was worse than Wizard Soul. I think I think Wizard Soul more. OK, next we have whatchamacallit romance. This, I think, was a I thought it was worse than Shadow Eliminators.

[00:05:18] Yeah, this I mean, I put this in FF. OK, so we'll put it in Shadow Eliminators. Yeah, cool. Next, we have Psych House, which probably is the most inoffensive series we've ever covered. I put it in FF. FF? I don't think it was that bad, man. Nothing happened. Yeah, that's true. All right. I'll put it at the top of FF. How about that, buddy? OK. I actually put it in C tier. I really thought it wasn't great, but it had some fun interest in the art was pretty nice to see. I put it in FF. What the?

[00:05:47] You are so mean to these series. I think it fucking sucked. Like the art was really good, but that was it. Everything else was garbage. We couldn't even tell the characters apart. You know what? That's fair. There was like the plot just fell apart. We couldn't figure out the time difference between one panel to the other. Fair enough. I will put it at the bottom of F tier. This does not feel like an FF. OK. All right. Next, we have Yui Camus gets loose. This is hard because it actually had a pretty good section of the series that was B tier and then just kind of fell apart. I was going back and forth, but I'm mean, so I put it in F.

[00:06:17] I'm going to put it. I think it deserves to be in C tier. It really is way better than I think someone. I'd rather read this over the stuff in D and F tier. I don't know. Because again, it had a section where it was unironically a good manga. For like three chapters. It had like an eight chapter run. Like 30% of the series was worth reading compared to... I think eight is pushing it. Fine. I'll put it in the top of D tier. OK. You're so mean, Jordan. Next, we have Jingxi X, another completely non-entity. This series, I felt was very inoffensively bad.

[00:06:47] I felt it feels like a D tier. I put it in F. You think Jingxi X is worse than SuperDuckRillionfall? Well, I think that you and I judge like inoffensiveness differently. Yes. To me, being inoffensive and leaving no mark is like the worst thing you can do. And meanwhile, I think being mediocre means you're a five out of ten. It wasn't mediocre, David. It was garbage. Fine. OK. At the top. I'm going to put at the top of F tier. OK, buddy. Yeah. All right. Next, we have Chameleon Jail.

[00:07:16] I put this in F tier. This is not a very good series. I also put it in F tier. Do you want it at the top of F tier? Man, I don't know. Is this what you're at or read this or Jingxi X again? I would rather read Chameleon Jail. Yeah, there you go, then. All right. Next, we have Hakutaku. That's absolutely F for FF, Jordan. Oh, FF. I put it in FF. I'll put it at the top of FF. For Final Fantasy. There we go. Next, we have our next series we liked. I put Cypherlo in B tier. It is definitely not as good as Green Green Greens. And there is definitely a hint of reading it ironically that really boosts it.

[00:07:46] I put it in A, but like I feel you with B. I'm fine with that. Because again, it's a series there where it's like, I don't know if it's good, but it kicks ass. Yeah, that's fair. Okay. Next, we have Sex Ed 120. Throwback to the time we read two nonflops in a row. Yeah. This also kind of felt like B tier. Again, it had some issues, but it was still good. But I wouldn't have been like, whoa, people need to like actually go read this like I would with Green Green Greens. I put it in A, but I feel I kind of agree with you. Now, do you like it more or less in Cyber Blue?

[00:08:15] Oh, it's like I like them both for completely different reasons. You know, it's like completely different genres of manga. I kind of prefer Cyber Blue, but I think Sex Ed is better. Okay, I'll put Sex Ed before it. Next, we have Ralgrad. Okay, art's good. No plot. Very bad. I put this in F tier. Again, I think the art quality, it saves it from FF. It doesn't save it from FF for me. Okay, where do you want it then, Jordan? I'm fine with putting it at the bottom of F. Okay, that sounds good. Because it's like right there. That's right where it is for me.

[00:08:44] I guess we went out of order. Next is Pandemic. Where would you put that, Jordan? Pandemic. Pandemic. Where would you put that? I went between D and F, but I'm feeling mean, so I put it in F. So do you like it more or less in Chameleon Jail? So you thought Super Duck Rowling Falls better than Pandemic? It's tough because there were a few chapters where I think it was like kind of good, and then it just sucks. So, you know, maybe D.

[00:09:12] Those chapters are better than Super Dog Rillionthal, but where it ended up is worse than Super Dog Rillionthal. I'm going to put it above Super Dog Rillionthal. Fair. Now, how about Muddy? I think it's better than Muddy. Okay. What about Tuanois? I think it's worse than Tuanois. Then there it goes. All right. Next up, we have Kiyosu Miji, which I didn't say. Kiyosu Miji. I don't know. Fuck it. Whatever. You guys know what series is it. Sure. Where would you put that, Jordan? I mean, I have it here in F, but I kind of feel maybe a D. It's really not that bad.

[00:09:42] I would say I'd rather read it than Pandemic. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Would you rather read it than Tuanois? Yeah, kind of. Okay. What about Wizard Soul? No. I think that's perfectly fine. And now we're going to get into our Patreon. We have Cheat Slayer, which I put at the bottom of FF. Yeah, I put that in FF. Then we have Getter Robo, which I put in B tier. I think it's really good when it definitely is aged.

[00:10:10] I put it in S because it is so close to my heart, but I feel like yours is more accurate when compared to... But it would be between A and B, but I'm fine with B. All right. If we had Getter Robo Go, I'd keep it in S. I love Getter Robo Go so much. Yeah, Getter Robo Go is awesome. We just didn't finish it. Yeah. Hentai Common, that felt kind of like a D tier to me. It really ran out of steam. Bottom of C for me, but this was really difficult for me between C and D. I think it'd rather read Rash than Hentai Common again. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah.

[00:10:40] I'm going to put it before Tuanois. Yeah. All right. And then Gun Dragon Sigma put an FF tier. So I actually created a new tier for G, and I put Gun Dragon Sigma in that because what the fuck is Gun Dragon Sigma? Okay, that's fine. And then finally, we have Cypher Academy. Where would you put that one? C, I have it. I think C. I had at the top of D, but I think the bottom of C is fine. Yeah. All right. So we have nothing in S tier. A tier, we have Green and Greens. B, we have Getter Robo Go, Sex Ed 120, and Cyber Blue.

[00:11:10] C, we just have Mama Yu Yu. D, we have Rash. Ayue Camille lets loose. Wizard Soul, Kizume Momiji. Hentai Common, Tuon Ice, Pandemic, Muddy, Superdoll, Rill and Fall, and Cypher Academy. F, we have Chameleon Jail, Jangshi X. That one series about... The Japanese guy or whatever, I forget its name. Hands. Dear Animone. Rall Grad. FF. We have Hakutaku. Psych House. Shadow Eliminators. The Marriage or whatever the fuck. I don't care about those. K-Necromance? Yeah, K-Necromance. Appearance of the Yellow Dragon.

[00:11:37] And Sheetslayer in our new G slash ass tier, we have Gun Dragon Sigma. Now, Jordan, let's get into the lifetime. Here we go. The lifetime ranking of Shonen Flop. All right. So, Jordan, let's get through this. Tier Maker kind of did its own thing with the order, so we're just going to do whatever we're ordering. I don't think it's a big deal. Green, green, greens. Jordan, we put in A tier. Where does it go amongst the A tier series? I would definitely say I think it's stronger than A-Gravity Boys.

[00:12:07] Ooh, this is tough. I guess it's definitely stronger than Nanohazard. Yeah, it's stronger than Nanohazard. Stronger than Mora King. It is on one side of A-Gravity Boys. Do you think it's weaker than A-Gravity Boys? I think it's a little bit weaker. That's fine. All right, next we have two on ice, which we have put in the D tier, Jordan. So, where amongst the D tiers do you feel it belongs? I feel it is... It's definitely stronger than Golem Hearts. Let's see.

[00:12:36] It's better than Golem Hearts. I think Tenmaku Cinema is better than it. I think it's... I would say it's right next to... I think it's better. I think that's a good placement. Okay, that's fine. Next up, we have Kay Necromanths. So, it is in the FF tier. It is, I would say, definitely better than a lot of these in the FF tiers. Yeah. I would say it's maybe better than Star... Is it better or worse than Gunblaze West? Oh, man. I think it's a little better than Gunblaze West. Okay. All right, next we have Shadow Eliminators, which we actually said was better than it,

[00:13:06] but I assume it's... It's right next to it because they feel like identical. Yeah, that's fine. Is Psych House better or worse than Harrisburg? I think it's a little better than Harrisburg. Okay. And then where would you put Hakutaku? Oh, man. So, it is... The question is, is it... Sorry, Hakutaku actually has to go in front. Never mind. I lied. Okay. And then Hakutaku goes in front because it's ranked above Psych House. I love doing those sequence breaks. Yeah. Okay, cool. Next is SuperDogRillionfall. We have this in D tier. Hmm. God, remember Godspeed? I think it's... Yeah, I do.

[00:13:35] I think it's maybe better than Barrage or Ozu. Maybe it's better than Ozu. Is it better or worse than Neolation? I think that's a good spot for it. Like, just above Ozu. Omega Donkey Zoo, yeah. That's totally fine. All right, next we have Rash. Where does Rash go in the D tier? We have a... Near the top of D tier. Is it better or worse than Temaku Cinema? I think overall, I think it's a little worse than Temaku Cinema. So, it goes there. Which means then that we actually can then skip a bunch of things, Jordan.

[00:14:04] And I realize that's the most effective way of doing it. Where the fuck are these R-Series? Oh, so that means that Yuakimiyo goes after it, as does Wizard Soul. And, uh... Do the best friend manga. Hentai Common. Man, we are just saving time by doing that. Hell yeah. All right. Now, Pandemic. Penny percent. Yep. And then Pandemic. Where does Pandemic go? Was that in D? Pandemic is in D, yeah. Oh, man. So, we said it is worse than 2-1-ice. But better than Rillionfall? Yes. Um...

[00:14:32] Would you rather read Pandemic or Smokey Beep? I think it's between Iron Knight and Eolation. Okay, that's fine. Which means then, again, with our speedrun, Muddy has to go. Or actually, is... Actually, no, it can. Is Muddy better or worse than Eolation? Um, I think it's better. Cool. Next up, we have Chameleon Jail in F-Tier. Where does Chameleon go in F-Tier? I think it's probably better than Ginkai and Luna. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that's a good spot for it. And then where does Ralgrad? Ralgrad. Ralgrad's pretty bad.

[00:15:01] I would say Ralgrad is probably better than Hi-Fi Cluster, but not as good as Do Retry. Yeah, which is... Ouch. Yeah. Wow, cheap. Cool. Okay. And then where do you want to put Cypher Academy? So, Cypher Academy is worse than SuperDog Rillionfall. So, I don't... I think I... I feel it's worse than Ozu. I still think it's better than Omega Donkey Zoo. Okay, that's fine. Yeah, go there. Cool. All right. Next up, let's do... Are we actually making a new tier for Gun Dragon Sigma? We don't have to. Okay. Where do you actually want it? Do you want an FF tier? Uh, yeah, I do.

[00:15:30] Is it better or worse than Zahn? Ooh, that's tough. I think it's a little better than Zahn just because it's trying to do something. What about Bill King? Ow, this is hard. I'm gonna say... It's so ugly. Like... Okay, so worse than Bill King. Okay. Okay, so Hands has got to go somewhere between Chameleon Jail and Ralgrad. Let's see. I think it's worse than Do Retry. Okay, I have zero issues with that, which means then Deer and Amone also slots in.

[00:16:00] Love it. So then we have Yamato Gensuki. So that has to go in between Hands and Chameleon Jail. Yamato Gensuki. Um, I think... Versus Genka and Luna. I think it's a little better than Genka and Luna. Perfect. Which means that we also get to put Jangshie X in. Yeah. Oh, man. Love how we have any percent of this thing. Speed run! Saving five minutes off a yearly process. All right, cool. Uh, next we are going to look at the B tier where we have Getter Robo. Where does Getter Robo go in this? It's definitely got fierce competition with Bao.

[00:16:30] I mean, I think it's better than Bao. Yeah. Is it better than St. Maul's? I put it above Red Hood, honestly. Really? Yeah. I think it's better than Red Hood. I mean, I, you know, personally, I love Getter Robo. I think it's great, but like, you know... All right, fair enough. Where does Cyber Blue go? So, Cyber Blue, I think I enjoyed more than Candy Flurry. Yeah, I would put it above... I might put it above Fabricant, honestly. Yeah, I think that's fine. Yeah. All right, and then finally, where do you want to put Sex Ed? So, Sex Ed is better than Cyber Blue.

[00:17:00] Would you rather read... I feel I'd rather read Sex Ed over Matama Security? I'd put it right above Daranki. So here? Yeah. Okay, so worse than Matama Security. Yeah. Cool. And then we have Cheat Slayer. Where does this go in FFT? Competently Tron. I feel it's better than Gun Dragon Sigma. At least we ranked it better. Okay, so we'll put it there. Yeah. All right, Appearance of the Yellow Dragon. Where do you want to put that? Ooh, where was that in the... This was FF as well. Yeah.

[00:17:29] Appearance of the Yellow Dragon. Better or worse than Build King? Yeah. Do you think it's better? Is it better or worse than Boom Collection? I think it's... I'll give you worse than Build King. Okay. Which is painful. All right, and then finally, we're ending on a fun one. Mama Yu Yu. This isn't C tier. This is a really interesting C tier. Yeah. I feel I liked this definitely more than Warden Haguma. I put it above Takeki Ryusei. Yeah, I think that's fine. But not as good as Monster. Yeah, no, that's fine. Where we have...

[00:17:59] Right above. Between that and Takeki. Worst for me? All right. I'm not going to read this all out. We are going to post a link to it. You can see it on our Discord. Too many things. Yep. And so, Jordan, I want to just say thank you so much for being a great co-host. And everything awesome you do. Thank you for everything that you do on the show, David. Oh, no problem, babe. Thank you, Dylan, for assistance with editing. You can find his podcast, Anime Out of Context, at animeoutofcontext.com. Thanks to Tucker and Maxi B for assistance with pronunciation, translation, and other miscellaneous research. Find us on the latest guy slash X at Shonen Flop. Tumblr is shonen-flop. And our website, shonenflop.com.

[00:18:28] Or on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, wherever else you get your podcasts. Come join the Shonen Flop Discord. You can argue about your own tier list. We'll include a link to make your own in the episode description. Hang up for us. Talk about anime, games, whatever else is on your mind. You even have a manga book club and movie nights. Find us in the show notes or on our site, shonenflop.com. Anything else you want to toss in there, Jordan? Thank you to my wonderful girlfriend, Steph, for supporting me and being there. I love you. Likewise, thank you to my wonderful wife, Rachel. She is trying to think of a great Father's Day gift for me.

[00:18:55] And, of course, my adorable puppuccini ravioli where she did one little bark, looked around, said, ah, I wasn't supposed to do that, and went in her cage on her own because she's just born silly. This is how David reveals to me that he had a kid. Yes, exactly. Absolutely. Name, name gravioli, of course. The goblin. Oh, man. Yeah. And so thank you so much for listening. Tune in for next Monday as we give our full thoughts on SWAT. Yet again, joined in our first ever double team guest episode where Sean and Rem from

[00:19:24] Anime Out of Context are going to have to suffer through it. Ha ha ha ha ha. Take that, you two. That's our revenge for having everyone else except for me have to watch 100 Girlfriends. Yeah. All right. This has been Jordan. This has been David. And you've been listening to Sean and Flop David saying bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.