#95 Yoakemono (Ft. YouTuber Comicstorian)
Shonen FlopFebruary 05, 202450:4241.4 MB

#95 Yoakemono (Ft. YouTuber Comicstorian)

#95 Yoakemono (Ft. YouTuber Comicstorian)

Manga by Shibata, Yuusaku

Holy shit 50 motherfucking wolves, goddamn!

We and our guest YouTuber Comicstorian discuss Shonen Jump manga Yoakemono.

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MAL Description:

The two boys Gin and Jinrou form a tough team in the mountains. One day, Gin decides that the only way they can move forward is to travel to the capital and join the Shinsengumi. It soon becomes clear, though, that they are not tough enough to handle the kind of people they find in the capital. Some of them, including the current Shinsengumi members, smell like beasts to Jinrou, and they seem to have unusual abilities. After Gin's tragic death, Jinrou is determined to become stronger and join the Shinsengumi in his place!

[00:00.000 --> 00:15.980] This episode is brought to you ad-free thanks to all of our wonderful patrons, giving [00:15.980 --> 00:19.720] you tons of exclusive content and help us keep the show going by joining at patreon.com slash [00:19.720 --> 00:20.720] Shonen Flop. [00:20.720 --> 00:23.000] Welcome to this episode of Shonen Flop where we're talking about manga and Shonen Jump [00:23.000 --> 00:24.000] that didn't make it big. [00:24.000 --> 00:25.000] I'm David. [00:25.000 --> 00:26.000] I'm Jordan. [00:26.000 --> 00:28.920] Next week we'll be covering full drive if you'd like to read along with us. [00:28.920 --> 00:31.060] Be sure to join this cushion in our discord. [00:31.060 --> 00:32.640] We don't have to drive around here. [00:32.640 --> 00:35.440] We go all the way. [00:35.440 --> 00:36.440] Full torque? [00:36.440 --> 00:37.440] Not weight. [00:37.440 --> 00:38.440] Yeah. [00:38.440 --> 00:39.440] That's something else. [00:39.440 --> 00:40.440] God. [00:40.440 --> 00:41.440] Florida. [00:41.440 --> 00:44.480] Oh, anyway, we are this week talking about Yoko Mono and we are joined by our guest, the wonderful [00:44.480 --> 00:45.480] comic story. [00:45.480 --> 00:46.480] And comic story. [00:46.480 --> 00:47.480] Thank you so much for joining us. [00:47.480 --> 00:49.560] You mind telling the audience a little bit about yourself. [00:49.560 --> 00:50.560] I'm Benny. [00:50.560 --> 00:52.000] I'm the comic story. [00:52.000 --> 00:55.640] That's mostly what people will know me as, but I also do manga story and where I like to [00:55.640 --> 00:58.840] talk about manga, which is assuming how I got on the show. [00:59.840 --> 01:00.840] Yes. [01:00.840 --> 01:05.000] I think that that's a pretty good assumption to make. [01:05.000 --> 01:09.520] The best response would have been you guys going, wait, you have a second chit. [01:09.520 --> 01:11.440] I might just steal your bit. [01:11.440 --> 01:12.880] You've heard of manga? [01:12.880 --> 01:14.240] Nobody's heard of that. [01:14.240 --> 01:17.840] No, it's such a niche tiny thing, you know. [01:17.840 --> 01:18.840] Yeah. [01:18.840 --> 01:21.320] If you like manga, let me tell you about the world of anime. [01:21.320 --> 01:23.080] Oh, never heard of it. [01:23.080 --> 01:24.080] No, it's amazing. [01:24.080 --> 01:28.800] I'd recently just found like this really like obscure anime the other day called Dragon [01:28.800 --> 01:29.800] Ball Z. [01:29.800 --> 01:32.120] Like nobody's ever never heard of this before. [01:32.120 --> 01:34.400] Yeah, no, it's a little indie thing. [01:34.400 --> 01:38.200] I hear that it's lightly based on Journey to the West. [01:38.200 --> 01:40.080] Oh, but with big monkeys. [01:40.080 --> 01:43.680] So if you like big monkeys, well, I'm very familiar with Journey to the West. [01:43.680 --> 01:44.680] Big monkey. [01:44.680 --> 01:45.680] Big monkey. [01:45.680 --> 01:49.320] I have this phase on shown in flop lucky year or two ago, where I was just like every single [01:49.320 --> 01:51.800] manga we read is just Journey to the West. [01:51.800 --> 01:52.880] Everything is Journey to the West. [01:52.880 --> 01:54.800] This is all Journey to the West. [01:54.800 --> 01:58.600] Well, we did read the last IQ, which literally is Journey to the West. [01:59.080 --> 02:04.220] Yeah, but one piece is Journey to the West, Dragon Ball's Journey to the West, every other [02:04.220 --> 02:06.000] manga's Journey to the West. [02:06.000 --> 02:07.640] You don't need me to list them all. [02:07.640 --> 02:09.840] So it's really instead of is this an isekai? [02:09.840 --> 02:13.360] It's now is this Journey to the West is the barometer of all series? [02:13.360 --> 02:14.360] Yeah. [02:14.360 --> 02:17.320] Are you just anything where they go to the West is a Journey to the West for you? [02:17.320 --> 02:18.640] Is that the plan at this point? [02:18.640 --> 02:25.280] If they talk about directions at any point, they have a main character who is strong, [02:25.280 --> 02:27.080] stupid and eats a lot. [02:27.080 --> 02:28.560] So that's shown and jump. [02:28.560 --> 02:29.560] Exactly. [02:29.560 --> 02:30.880] That's my point. [02:30.880 --> 02:31.880] But that's me, Jordan. [02:31.880 --> 02:35.080] That's so shown in flop Journey to the West because I'm all of those things. [02:35.080 --> 02:36.080] Yes, pretty much. [02:36.080 --> 02:39.320] I also want to say, you know, who isn't stupid is Portal Man. [02:39.320 --> 02:43.480] So Portal Man, big thank you for recommending comic story as a guest on the show. [02:43.480 --> 02:44.480] Yes. [02:44.480 --> 02:45.480] Thank you so much. [02:45.480 --> 02:46.480] Thank you, Portal Man. [02:46.480 --> 02:48.880] I was actually going to ask how you guys even found me. [02:48.880 --> 02:49.880] Yeah. [02:49.880 --> 02:50.880] Yeah. [02:50.880 --> 02:53.840] We have a channel on our Discord where people suggest guests on the show and we always try [02:53.840 --> 02:54.920] and reach out to them. [02:54.920 --> 02:56.400] So no one else was available. [02:56.400 --> 02:57.560] Was that basically how this came about? [02:57.720 --> 02:59.320] Well, manga story wasn't free. [02:59.320 --> 03:03.000] So we have the Internet historian turned us down. [03:03.000 --> 03:07.280] Oh, well, he's a little complicated after that H bomber video. [03:07.280 --> 03:09.360] I wouldn't want him on the show anyway. [03:09.360 --> 03:10.360] Yeah. [03:10.360 --> 03:14.640] I had the completionist on my two message list and I just shared the lead in him from the [03:14.640 --> 03:16.600] list of people I was going to reach out to. [03:16.600 --> 03:18.600] I hear he's available now. [03:18.600 --> 03:19.600] Yeah. [03:19.600 --> 03:22.000] Anyway, let's get into the manga details. [03:22.000 --> 03:29.240] So this is, uh, yoakimono and it is a portmanteau of yoak, which means daybreak and kimono, which [03:29.240 --> 03:31.600] means beast or beasts. [03:31.600 --> 03:38.200] And that is kimono K-E-M-O-N-O and not kimono like the Japanese clothing. [03:38.200 --> 03:39.200] You know what I mean. [03:39.200 --> 03:41.480] It was written by Yusaku Shiba Ta. [03:41.480 --> 03:45.480] Notable people they were an assistant for was this guy, another little indie comic writer [03:45.480 --> 03:49.440] named Hichiro Oda of like this obscure manga called one piece. [03:49.440 --> 03:56.280] He was also an assistant for Kohei Hirikoshi again, indie comic, uh, my hero academia. [03:56.280 --> 04:02.480] His big hit though was barrage also known as bulge or the warring planets, which we covered [04:02.480 --> 04:05.480] and it's really is the name of the series bulge. [04:05.480 --> 04:07.360] That is literally the name of the series. [04:07.360 --> 04:11.680] It was bulge and then when they translated it to English, they were like, no, we can't [04:11.680 --> 04:14.200] call it that it's barrage now. [04:14.200 --> 04:16.840] And then we he also did Omega Daki Zoo. [04:16.840 --> 04:19.680] That's not on here anymore, probably because David can't pronounce it. [04:19.680 --> 04:21.240] I mean, don't worry. [04:21.240 --> 04:22.600] I can't pronounce anything. [04:22.600 --> 04:24.640] So I just all people buy what they look like. [04:24.640 --> 04:26.360] So we're good to go if that's the case. [04:26.360 --> 04:28.000] Is that why you call me handsome? [04:28.000 --> 04:30.560] Hey, yes, that was that was where that came from. [04:30.560 --> 04:36.720] I call him thick, but next he worked for a Kazu a Pato of Blue Exorcist, which is something [04:36.720 --> 04:42.480] I've heard of but never read, Yoshikazu Anami of chin piece, which is apparently an official [04:42.480 --> 04:45.280] one piece spin off about a guy who could stretch his dick. [04:45.280 --> 04:49.720] But that is also one piece because as we all know, Luffy can canonically stretch his [04:49.720 --> 04:50.720] dick. [04:50.720 --> 04:52.440] I was going to say, like, Luffy could also do that. [04:52.440 --> 04:54.320] So what happens when the two of them are fighting? [04:54.320 --> 04:58.640] I think the other guy is like, it is severe disadvantage because all he can do is stretch [04:58.640 --> 04:59.640] his dick. [04:59.640 --> 05:04.080] Oda has established their redundant fruits, like the kilo kilo and the tantan fruit. [05:04.080 --> 05:07.240] So it's you've got the one that turns only your penis in a rubber. [05:07.240 --> 05:10.160] Look, it's been going for 20 plus years. [05:10.160 --> 05:11.600] There's going to be some repeats. [05:11.600 --> 05:12.600] I don't know. [05:12.600 --> 05:16.480] Can you just imagine discovering that because like, you know, when they eat the fruit and [05:16.480 --> 05:21.280] they're not fully sure what it does, you know, you just go into the bathroom and he whips [05:21.280 --> 05:26.160] around real quick because somebody surprised them and it just reaches out, you know, like [05:26.160 --> 05:27.920] how do you discover that? [05:27.920 --> 05:30.680] Oh my God. [05:30.680 --> 05:34.760] I would talk more about it, but that's a little X rated for us. [05:34.760 --> 05:41.360] He also worked with a Yuyu Kalana of Smokey BB, which I think was our last episode, David. [05:41.360 --> 05:42.360] It was. [05:42.360 --> 05:44.080] That's the thing we just covered. [05:44.080 --> 05:49.280] That's the episode I just listened to and discovered what I agreed to be on because hopefully left [05:49.280 --> 05:50.280] a good impression. [05:50.280 --> 05:52.280] Well, I still showed up, didn't I? [05:52.280 --> 05:53.520] That's true. [05:53.520 --> 05:57.880] Next was Yuta, Ticada, Tenmaku Cinema and Food Wars. [05:57.880 --> 05:59.080] Temaku Cinema is also an episode. [05:59.080 --> 06:00.080] Check that out. [06:00.080 --> 06:04.600] Masahiro, how do you cut to end to L and to be clear, check out the episode not Temaku [06:04.600 --> 06:05.600] Cinema. [06:05.600 --> 06:12.300] Masahiro, Hirakata, Ricky with Police Woman, Kiriko again, check the episode out [06:12.300 --> 06:13.900] not Ricky, Police Woman, Kiriko. [06:13.900 --> 06:18.460] Not only will this guy had his and assistant was Daijiro Nanoi of, as we mentioned earlier, [06:18.460 --> 06:23.780] the last Sayuki, Ipe Goto of Hi-Fi Cluster, one of the worst things we've ever fucking [06:23.780 --> 06:24.780] read on this show. [06:24.780 --> 06:25.780] Wow. [06:25.780 --> 06:26.780] Oh my God, that sucked. [06:26.780 --> 06:27.780] I should read that. [06:27.780 --> 06:28.780] Yeah. [06:28.780 --> 06:29.780] Yeah, definitely. [06:29.780 --> 06:34.660] Kentaro Hidano of Super Smartphone, also a really shitty thing we read on this podcast. [06:34.660 --> 06:39.940] That one's hilariously bad, though, in a really funny way. [06:39.940 --> 06:43.860] Listen to this manga premise, Benny, and tell me how cool this is. [06:43.860 --> 06:48.900] This guy gets a really amazing, like, smartphone. [06:48.900 --> 06:50.260] Are you done with the premise? [06:50.260 --> 06:51.260] Yeah, that's it. [06:51.260 --> 06:52.260] That's it. [06:52.260 --> 06:53.260] Oh, yeah. [06:53.260 --> 06:54.260] That sounds amazing. [06:54.260 --> 06:55.260] It's so good. [06:55.260 --> 06:57.980] What you guys are making me realize is whenever I do comic books, everyone likes to argue [06:57.980 --> 07:02.900] that, you know, all manga is better than comics, and I'm like, guys, you don't read some of [07:02.900 --> 07:03.900] this stuff. [07:03.900 --> 07:04.900] No. [07:04.900 --> 07:06.900] And you're listening to things I've never heard of, so... [07:06.900 --> 07:07.900] Oh. [07:07.900 --> 07:11.180] Because you've heard of are the better ones. [07:11.180 --> 07:12.380] That's what I try to explain. [07:12.380 --> 07:14.700] Like, if you've heard of it, it succeeded. [07:14.700 --> 07:15.700] Yes. [07:15.700 --> 07:19.820] You're not reading the shitty ones, because the shitty ones don't get translated. [07:19.820 --> 07:21.500] Survivor ship bias. [07:21.500 --> 07:26.060] You've never heard of them, because they never came over to America, because they sucked so [07:26.060 --> 07:27.060] bad. [07:27.060 --> 07:28.060] But there's a lot of them. [07:28.060 --> 07:29.060] Yeah. [07:29.060 --> 07:30.060] There are. [07:30.060 --> 07:35.420] This guy's other works include Sahara, the flower samurai, ran for one volume and jumped [07:35.420 --> 07:41.500] giga back in 2016, Zitman, which was actually our first episode ever. [07:41.500 --> 07:44.180] So yeah, that was a flop by definition. [07:44.180 --> 07:46.020] That was 2019 to 2020. [07:46.020 --> 07:49.100] According to this, it was your first episode, and you're 27. [07:49.100 --> 07:50.100] We did a relook. [07:50.100 --> 07:51.100] Yes. [07:51.100 --> 07:52.100] Yeah. [07:52.100 --> 07:56.620] So every year we do, on our anniversary, we increment what we do a rear view of the oldest [07:56.620 --> 08:00.540] series we haven't reviewed before, except for a robot laser room, because it was too long [08:00.540 --> 08:01.540] and racist. [08:01.540 --> 08:02.540] So we didn't want to read it. [08:02.540 --> 08:03.540] Wait, Benny, Benny, Benny. [08:03.700 --> 08:05.460] We don't have time to fucking go over. [08:05.460 --> 08:07.020] What do you think robot laser beam is about? [08:07.020 --> 08:08.020] I have to. [08:08.020 --> 08:09.700] We can cut it out, but I have to. [08:09.700 --> 08:11.900] What do I think robot laser beam is? [08:11.900 --> 08:12.900] Yeah. [08:12.900 --> 08:15.020] I would assume a robot with a laser beam is that you're wrong. [08:15.020 --> 08:16.020] It's about golf. [08:16.020 --> 08:17.020] Yeah. [08:17.020 --> 08:18.020] Okay. [08:18.020 --> 08:20.620] I feel like it's like, have you guys seen that meme where it's like the kid in his like veins [08:20.620 --> 08:21.620] and stuff or popping? [08:21.620 --> 08:25.220] And it's like Jordan when he's gone five minutes without asking someone that robot laser beam [08:25.220 --> 08:26.380] stands for. [08:26.380 --> 08:27.380] It's so funny. [08:27.380 --> 08:31.020] I fucking love doing that because everyone's wrong. [08:31.020 --> 08:32.260] You would never guess it. [08:32.260 --> 08:33.260] It's always wrong. [08:33.620 --> 08:37.700] When I clicked your episode for Smokey BB, I wasn't expecting baseball, but. [08:37.700 --> 08:38.700] Neither were we. [08:40.140 --> 08:42.940] Like barbecue, maybe, but yeah, that's the sequel. [08:42.940 --> 08:44.020] Smokey BBQ. [08:45.020 --> 08:49.380] Sky also did some manga about Dragon Quest, whatever, but we're just talking about that. [08:49.380 --> 08:55.420] We're talking about Joachomono ran from July 19, 2014 to November 10, 2014. [08:55.420 --> 09:00.140] It replaced stealth symphony in other episode, one of the manga with like the craziest endings [09:00.140 --> 09:01.140] we ever read. [09:01.140 --> 09:05.020] I'm serious that replaced it with school judgment, AKA the pedophile manga. [09:05.020 --> 09:06.020] Yeah. [09:06.020 --> 09:07.020] Oh, yeah. [09:07.020 --> 09:08.260] Our guests refused to finish reading it. [09:08.260 --> 09:09.260] Yeah. [09:09.260 --> 09:10.260] Okay. [09:10.260 --> 09:12.900] We were not expecting how gross it got. [09:12.900 --> 09:16.980] It's why the artists of Death Note could have made literally anything he wanted, but instead [09:16.980 --> 09:21.740] he wanted to draw biologically accurate breast development of teenage girls. [09:21.740 --> 09:22.740] Yes. [09:22.740 --> 09:23.740] Wow. [09:23.740 --> 09:24.740] What? [09:24.740 --> 09:25.740] He says that. [09:25.740 --> 09:26.740] Yes. [09:26.740 --> 09:28.580] He says I tracked their aging in real time to develop their breast size. [09:28.580 --> 09:29.740] Oh, yeah. [09:29.740 --> 09:30.740] It's really bad. [09:30.740 --> 09:34.140] I mean, that sounds like like in comics, we had power girl where her boobs just kept getting [09:34.140 --> 09:37.340] bigger and bigger until people assumed it, but she started at age 30. [09:37.340 --> 09:38.340] Yeah. [09:38.340 --> 09:40.180] So this girl was like 14. [09:40.180 --> 09:41.820] That was like kind of a joke, right? [09:41.820 --> 09:45.420] Like that was the, the artist was like, I'm just going to do this till people noticed. [09:45.420 --> 09:46.420] Yeah, exactly. [09:46.420 --> 09:47.420] And they did. [09:47.420 --> 09:48.420] They kept doing it till someone noticed. [09:48.420 --> 09:49.420] Yeah. [09:49.420 --> 09:52.580] But yeah, this started at the same time as my hero academia and Mitsubuki Condor. [09:52.580 --> 09:55.700] I haven't heard the second one, but I'd have to explain my hero academia to you. [09:55.700 --> 09:56.700] Come on. [09:56.700 --> 09:57.700] What is that? [09:57.700 --> 09:58.700] What about? [09:58.700 --> 09:59.700] It's X-Men. [10:00.620 --> 10:05.620] And this ran for 16 chapters, uh, two volumes, but nothing about that. [10:05.620 --> 10:08.020] Let's get to the fucking plot summary. [10:08.020 --> 10:09.020] Hell yeah. [10:09.020 --> 10:13.860] It's 1800s Japan during that civil war that you have seen in anime. [10:13.860 --> 10:17.940] Jinro and Gien Akatsuki are two kids that like killing samurai. [10:17.940 --> 10:22.220] Jinro has two swords and Gien has one long sword like Sephiroth. [10:22.220 --> 10:26.820] They both have cool tattoos over their eyes that signify them as criminals. [10:26.820 --> 10:32.140] In Drags, Jean Ro to Kyoto to try out for the Shinsengumi, who you've seen in roughly [10:32.140 --> 10:34.660] 10% of all anime. [10:34.660 --> 10:39.260] Jinro doesn't really give a shit about it until Gien runs out and finds him saying that [10:39.260 --> 10:43.620] tryouts were canceled because some guy killed two Shinsengumi, stole something and ran away. [10:43.620 --> 10:47.540] The two run into the guy in question and they fight, but Gien is killed. [10:47.540 --> 10:51.740] Before he dies, he gives Gienro his sword, which got broken in the fight and Gienro manages [10:51.740 --> 10:53.620] to cut off the bad guy's hands. [10:53.620 --> 10:54.620] Oh no. [10:54.620 --> 11:04.900] They magically regenerate using the power of the Newt, and he fatally stabs Gienro. [11:04.900 --> 11:09.860] Just then, Hijikato Toshizo, Vice Commander of the Shinsengumi and a real historical figure [11:09.860 --> 11:10.860] shows up. [11:10.860 --> 11:15.940] And again, just like real life, uses his magic wolf powers to kill the Newt guy. [11:15.940 --> 11:20.660] He then uses a magic sword called the Jujin to bring Gienro back from the brink of death [11:20.660 --> 11:24.340] and give him magic powers to Popcorn David. [11:24.340 --> 11:28.820] The next day, Gienro wakes up in the Shinsengumi compound and wants to try out for them, [11:28.820 --> 11:31.420] so he's tasked with getting one hit on a guy named Okita. [11:31.420 --> 11:35.180] He does, but apparently it didn't count because Okita knocks him out and he wakes up [11:35.180 --> 11:37.740] discovered no one pass the tryouts. [11:37.740 --> 11:38.900] Was I crazy about that? [11:38.900 --> 11:42.620] Like, he literally said if you get one hit in and then he got a hit in and it was like [11:42.620 --> 11:43.620] now you didn't pass. [11:43.620 --> 11:45.140] Yeah, it was bullshit. [11:45.140 --> 11:48.860] I do applaud them for their exam mark being four pages. [11:48.860 --> 11:49.860] Yeah. [11:50.020 --> 11:54.260] Thankfully though, a criminal shows up chased by a kuda and takes a girl hostage, but Gienro [11:54.260 --> 11:55.460] helps bring him down. [11:55.460 --> 11:59.380] Okita tells him that he wants to get stronger, he should cut firewood a thousand times. [11:59.380 --> 12:04.100] Seven days later, the Shinsengumi discover that a huge swath of the forest has been cut [12:04.100 --> 12:07.780] down by Gienro, whose new wolf powers enable him to stay out for seven days straight and [12:07.780 --> 12:11.260] he's caused unspeeple environmental damage to that forest. [12:11.260 --> 12:13.260] Next time it rains, they're real fucked. [12:13.260 --> 12:18.500] His new powers give him the ability of a lot of monster energy, basically. [12:18.500 --> 12:22.100] Oh, that would have been a good cover art. [12:22.100 --> 12:23.780] He fights Okite again. [12:23.780 --> 12:26.300] To a draw, Suez accepted into the Shinsengumi. [12:26.300 --> 12:30.140] His first mission is to invade a brothel and capture an important member of the rebellious [12:30.140 --> 12:31.140] cho-shoe faction. [12:31.140 --> 12:35.340] But when he gets there, they discover an evil guy with the magic beast powers of a cassowar [12:35.340 --> 12:38.540] named Yoshida, which I guess is a bird I never heard of. [12:38.540 --> 12:40.740] I don't know, have you two ever heard of that bird before? [12:40.740 --> 12:43.500] Yes, but I am not familiar with what it was. [12:43.500 --> 12:45.180] Bro, why didn't they just say ostrich? [12:45.180 --> 12:50.620] I wanted to know why we chose a new bird as our first two villains, why are they scary? [12:50.620 --> 12:51.620] They're not. [12:51.620 --> 12:52.620] Right? [12:52.620 --> 12:57.180] Oh god, and the guy's name is Yoshida Toshimaru, who is killed, I guess, or eaten three of [12:57.180 --> 12:58.180] the women. [12:58.180 --> 13:00.900] They fight and Gienro is able to team up with Okita to bring him down. [13:00.900 --> 13:14.580] Gienro then meets Tentsunosuke, who becomes Tentsunosuke, who becomes his sensei slash [13:14.580 --> 13:17.260] rival slash friend and probably lover in some fanfiction. [13:17.260 --> 13:18.260] Yeah. [13:18.260 --> 13:22.660] And they go on their next mission to capture Kyushu, protected by Hitikori Izou, who [13:22.660 --> 13:27.340] say it with me, also existed and had magic snake powers, just like in real life. [13:27.340 --> 13:28.340] Yeah. [13:28.340 --> 13:29.340] Popcorn. [13:29.340 --> 13:30.340] Then. [13:30.340 --> 13:35.740] Ok, Tentsunosuke, Tentsunosuke has the ability to lower his body temperature, which [13:35.740 --> 13:40.060] seems extremely situational, but he uses it to somehow sneak past everyone and the two [13:40.060 --> 13:41.780] managed to defeat Izou. [13:41.780 --> 13:45.100] Like, did they have, like, heat sensing radar back then? [13:45.100 --> 13:46.980] Like, why was that significant? [13:46.980 --> 13:47.980] It was like... [13:47.980 --> 13:52.300] What you don't know is that the Casa Warries actually can only see things by heat. [13:52.300 --> 13:54.540] Oh, it's true I didn't know that. [13:54.540 --> 13:56.940] Yeah, it's not true, so you wouldn't have done it anyway. [13:56.940 --> 13:58.700] Ah, motherfucker. [13:58.700 --> 14:03.740] They learn the Choshu, have the Red Zhuzhin, which is supposed to be extra special, and are [14:03.740 --> 14:05.660] planning on burning the whole city down. [14:05.660 --> 14:10.100] The Shinagume, Shinagume, Shinsengume, Shinsengume, close enough. [14:10.100 --> 14:14.140] Kind of salt a compound where they fight a bunch of dudes before encountering Sakamoto, [14:14.140 --> 14:15.780] who's like the big bad behind it all. [14:15.780 --> 14:21.260] He stabs a guy with the Red Zhuzhin, and reveals that it is the power of the Black Rat, again, [14:21.260 --> 14:22.460] super intimidating, right? [14:22.460 --> 14:23.460] Yes. [14:23.460 --> 14:26.260] Which will cause him to explode and spread the Black Leg. [14:26.260 --> 14:27.820] What the fuck? [14:27.820 --> 14:32.640] Sakimoto then leads them to a tower where various Shinseggume members pair off the fight [14:32.640 --> 14:38.180] various other fictionalized historical figures before Jinro and Captain Yijakata square off [14:38.180 --> 14:42.220] against Sakamoto, who has the beast power of every beast. [14:42.220 --> 14:44.260] Every single one, everyone. [14:44.260 --> 14:45.980] He has the true beast mode. [14:45.980 --> 14:46.980] Yeah. [14:46.980 --> 14:50.660] They defeat him and burn the Black Rat due to death and they win, although Sakamoto says [14:50.660 --> 14:52.500] that he'll get them next time. [14:52.500 --> 14:53.500] Gadgetun. [14:53.500 --> 14:55.060] Okay, Dr. Claw. [14:55.060 --> 14:58.500] All I remember about that is someone had a dragon power, which means I got a point on the [14:58.500 --> 14:59.700] Chibi guessing score. [14:59.700 --> 15:01.940] It's true, you did, you did. [15:01.940 --> 15:02.940] Oh, man. [15:02.940 --> 15:05.700] Alright, let's get through these characters real quick. [15:05.700 --> 15:08.300] So, Benny, would you mind telling us about the main character? [15:08.300 --> 15:09.300] Okay, sure. [15:09.300 --> 15:12.220] He's every shown in protagonist in existence. [15:12.220 --> 15:13.220] Yep. [15:13.220 --> 15:14.220] Yep. [15:14.220 --> 15:17.300] Like, I was reading through this and this is what I was confused by because when I first [15:17.300 --> 15:22.060] read your invitation to this, I thought it was the golden, like, the hidden gems that got [15:22.060 --> 15:23.060] canceled. [15:23.060 --> 15:24.060] Oh, no, no, no. [15:24.060 --> 15:25.060] We're not doing that. [15:25.060 --> 15:26.700] Sometimes that happens. [15:26.700 --> 15:27.700] It's very rare. [15:27.700 --> 15:29.300] It's happened like six times. [15:29.300 --> 15:31.700] Yeah, over like three plus years. [15:31.700 --> 15:33.140] So I'm reading through this. [15:33.140 --> 15:36.820] I've tried to find things that are positive about it to put in my notes and I'm like, oh, [15:36.820 --> 15:37.820] my God. [15:37.820 --> 15:41.780] That's why I listened more to the episode and I'm like, oh, no, they're picking bad one. [15:41.780 --> 15:46.020] Yeah, because reading this in that character, I was thinking in my head, he's just the amalgamation [15:46.020 --> 15:49.260] of every shown in character to ever exist. [15:49.260 --> 15:50.260] That's who he is. [15:50.260 --> 15:51.580] So Benny, here's the thing. [15:51.580 --> 15:53.340] We don't pick bad ones. [15:53.340 --> 15:59.540] We picked canceled ones and 90% of the time, if it got canceled, it's because it was bad. [15:59.540 --> 16:00.540] Right. [16:00.620 --> 16:04.060] It's incidental that it sucks. [16:04.060 --> 16:05.580] I think we read three things last year. [16:05.580 --> 16:07.700] We would honestly say we're considered warff reading. [16:07.700 --> 16:09.500] Yeah, this is not one. [16:09.500 --> 16:13.300] I feel like when it comes to the series of the creator of black glovers, like, God, yeah, [16:13.300 --> 16:15.940] you got to turn the shown in this down just a little bit. [16:15.940 --> 16:16.940] Yeah, it was. [16:16.940 --> 16:22.220] It's literally everything like your notes on him in here is two swords, hotheaded protagonists [16:22.220 --> 16:23.220] and wolf powers. [16:23.220 --> 16:24.780] That's that's it. [16:24.780 --> 16:28.860] Yeah, I don't even remember him talking that much other than he was yelling at everyone when [16:28.860 --> 16:30.340] they would tell him what to do. [16:30.340 --> 16:36.180] Yeah, I was really annoyed when he got wolf powers because we already saw a dude with wolf [16:36.180 --> 16:37.180] powers. [16:37.180 --> 16:38.380] Yeah, that was so weird. [16:38.380 --> 16:43.020] It's like, well, that's so lame, dude, like everyone else has different powers. [16:43.020 --> 16:44.020] Why that? [16:44.020 --> 16:47.260] Well, I think that's one of the problems, though, because it feels like he planned this to be [16:47.260 --> 16:51.260] like a thousand chapter manga because he's like, well, I got to start small. [16:51.260 --> 16:53.380] We got to do a nude brat bird. [16:53.380 --> 16:56.860] No one's heard of, you know, like, and then the wolf and the wolf is the only cool power [16:56.860 --> 16:58.540] that came out where until we hit the finale. [16:58.540 --> 17:02.620] Well, then that's somewhat the one that I had a tiger or a snow leopard and that's that's [17:02.620 --> 17:03.620] the decent. [17:03.620 --> 17:04.620] But he was another protagonist. [17:04.620 --> 17:07.820] He could lower his temperature, just being that scene from the office. [17:07.820 --> 17:11.060] Like, I can lower and raise my body temperature at will. [17:11.060 --> 17:13.700] Why would you lower it so I can raise it? [17:13.700 --> 17:17.060] All right, let's get into the next the next guy. [17:17.060 --> 17:18.620] I'll talk about Okeeta. [17:18.620 --> 17:19.940] He's kind of a badass. [17:19.940 --> 17:21.140] He leads an elite squad. [17:21.140 --> 17:23.740] I don't remember any real personality traits. [17:23.740 --> 17:26.460] His face looked like he had like it confused me at first. [17:26.460 --> 17:28.180] It was like, is this grown up from bleach? [17:29.020 --> 17:29.540] Yeah. [17:29.540 --> 17:30.540] Not from one piece. [17:30.540 --> 17:33.700] No, but he looked like he just like he looked the face just looked like him. [17:33.700 --> 17:35.660] And I was like, oh, did he read just aging up now? [17:35.660 --> 17:36.660] What's happened? [17:36.660 --> 17:39.340] I'm like the friend character at the beginning like I was like a no tattoo anymore. [17:39.340 --> 17:40.340] Cool. [17:40.340 --> 17:41.340] Got it. [17:41.340 --> 17:47.780] So he's like your happy, go lucky fighting guy, I guess, who's just like unflappable, I guess. [17:47.780 --> 17:49.780] And like breaks the rules breaks the rules. [17:49.780 --> 17:50.940] He's super cool. [17:50.940 --> 17:54.580] I forget what power he has, but yeah, I don't know. [17:54.580 --> 17:57.220] A lot of these characters are just kind of like whatever. [17:57.220 --> 17:59.100] They're all generic shown in characters. [17:59.100 --> 18:01.340] Okeeta was also a real guy. [18:01.340 --> 18:04.180] Did not look like this. [18:04.180 --> 18:05.180] Would you be shocked? [18:05.180 --> 18:08.060] Next you're going to tell me he didn't have animal powers. [18:08.060 --> 18:09.260] No, that's true, actually. [18:09.260 --> 18:10.980] Oh, it's well documented, right? [18:10.980 --> 18:11.980] Yeah. [18:11.980 --> 18:12.980] Let me tell you about Abraham Lincoln's. [18:12.980 --> 18:15.380] It's the same history school as dining steward. [18:15.380 --> 18:16.380] Yeah. [18:16.380 --> 18:17.380] All right. [18:17.380 --> 18:19.780] Well, if you weren't along with, I want you to tell us about the main character's best [18:19.780 --> 18:20.780] friend. [18:20.780 --> 18:21.780] Well, his second best friend, David. [18:21.780 --> 18:22.780] You're right. [18:22.780 --> 18:23.780] Well, Darwin's dead. [18:23.780 --> 18:25.380] So he's got his best friend anymore. [18:25.380 --> 18:26.380] The other one is dead. [18:26.380 --> 18:30.740] So by default, each of Maritets and Oské, as soon as he shows up, the narrators like [18:30.740 --> 18:35.060] and little did he know that he was about to be his best friend and apparently that happened [18:35.060 --> 18:38.980] after the manga ended because he was not his best friend in the manga. [18:38.980 --> 18:41.700] They were like borderline ready to fight at all times. [18:41.700 --> 18:42.700] Yeah. [18:42.700 --> 18:43.700] It kind of got going. [18:43.700 --> 18:48.580] They were kind of rivals in that they were doing something in the bathhouse. [18:48.580 --> 18:51.340] That's not what I wanted from a beach scene. [18:51.340 --> 18:54.540] I did not know what they were doing there. [18:54.540 --> 18:58.140] Like, were they trying to just stay in the hot, stay in the hot water? [18:58.140 --> 18:59.140] Super. [18:59.140 --> 19:00.140] Yeah. [19:00.140 --> 19:04.060] For a hundred seconds because no, no one stays in the hot spring for a minute and a half. [19:04.060 --> 19:05.060] Yeah. [19:05.060 --> 19:08.660] Only to have the giant guy come over and sit in the hot spring. [19:08.660 --> 19:09.660] Yeah. [19:09.660 --> 19:10.660] So stupid. [19:10.660 --> 19:15.820] But yeah, he's the snow leopard guy we were talking about and David, you know, they can [19:15.820 --> 19:20.820] actually relate to each other because they both suffered tragedy. [19:20.820 --> 19:21.820] Yeah. [19:21.820 --> 19:26.740] I always love when it's like, wow, you're a soldier too and you've suffered tragedy. [19:26.740 --> 19:27.740] Whoa. [19:27.740 --> 19:31.740] In the middle of its civil war, the way it played out just reminded me of how one piece [19:31.740 --> 19:35.620] like the rose tragedy after meeting the characters because it's just the way it was handled where [19:35.620 --> 19:38.020] everyone had a tragic backstory apparently. [19:38.020 --> 19:39.020] Everyone. [19:39.020 --> 19:41.940] Well, you don't become a pirate unless your life sucks, I guess. [19:41.940 --> 19:43.180] That is true. [19:43.180 --> 19:46.740] Or a piece wielding samurai killing student thing. [19:46.740 --> 19:47.740] Yeah. [19:47.740 --> 19:51.300] Speaking of things that suck, it was going to why it failed. [19:51.300 --> 19:56.100] So, so many, what comes to top of mind for you and you would trust much, much deserved [19:56.100 --> 19:57.660] criticism about the series? [19:57.660 --> 20:01.820] I mean, I said it earlier, but it basically was it feels like every show in an adventure [20:01.820 --> 20:05.620] crammed in the one, but only the parts that are supposed to make it popular. [20:05.620 --> 20:09.820] I never got a vibe of any real character development on the main character. [20:09.820 --> 20:11.780] It always felt like that's coming later. [20:11.780 --> 20:15.460] Any of the side characters just kept getting thrown on, no real serious character development [20:15.460 --> 20:16.460] in any of them. [20:16.460 --> 20:18.220] Just overall, it just came across to me. [20:18.220 --> 20:21.540] Honestly, I was first thought I was a reading an early version of Demon Slayer because it [20:21.540 --> 20:23.260] was the same kind of concept. [20:23.260 --> 20:24.460] Because it was so mad. [20:24.460 --> 20:25.460] Yeah. [20:25.460 --> 20:28.020] Hey, Demon Slayer does well with the battle. [20:28.020 --> 20:29.020] This did not. [20:29.020 --> 20:30.020] That's fair. [20:30.020 --> 20:31.020] I see and you're not here. [20:31.020 --> 20:32.020] You had the characters all looking similar. [20:32.020 --> 20:33.380] I already have an issue with that. [20:33.380 --> 20:38.100] When a manga, any manga throws in a lot of cast members all at once because knowing how [20:38.100 --> 20:41.080] manga plays out, half of those cast members aren't going to be around. [20:41.080 --> 20:43.780] So for me, when I'm reading it, especially when I'm trying to read something more in a [20:43.780 --> 20:47.420] bit of a hurry as opposed to like really just engulfing myself in it, when they throw [20:47.420 --> 20:50.460] a whole bunch of cast members at it, my brain just checks out and I just see who's [20:50.460 --> 20:51.460] going to survive with it. [20:51.460 --> 20:52.460] Yeah. [20:52.460 --> 20:55.500] And this one did that, especially when they were speed running to the end, like so many [20:55.500 --> 20:56.500] characters. [20:56.500 --> 20:57.500] I'm like, who is this supposed to be? [20:57.500 --> 20:58.500] Who is that guy? [20:58.500 --> 20:59.500] What is going on here? [20:59.500 --> 21:00.500] Yeah. [21:00.500 --> 21:02.180] They just introduced a show of the characters in that bath scene. [21:02.180 --> 21:03.180] Yeah. [21:03.180 --> 21:05.980] Like the bath scene's like, here's a bunch of guys and apparently they're evil. [21:05.980 --> 21:06.980] Oh, okay. [21:06.980 --> 21:10.620] It's kind of like, why is the cast of Veroni Kenshin here? [21:10.620 --> 21:16.780] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, cause the creators of pedophile. [21:16.780 --> 21:18.300] It's extremely generic. [21:18.300 --> 21:22.540] And yeah, you know, they introduced these characters and like, I don't know, maybe the [21:22.540 --> 21:27.100] author was thinking, oh, you know this guy from reading history books, you don't need [21:27.100 --> 21:28.340] me to explain it. [21:28.340 --> 21:29.740] And it's like, well, I do. [21:29.740 --> 21:30.740] Yeah. [21:30.740 --> 21:34.780] This is definitely a cultural transition where they just assume you know, these people are. [21:34.780 --> 21:38.460] But also, if you're going to have them as characters, you still have to develop them, [21:38.460 --> 21:39.460] dude. [21:39.460 --> 21:43.100] I'm just imagining a Western version of this where it's like the president's and they, because [21:43.100 --> 21:46.140] they don't have to explain, you know, who Abraham Lincoln is. [21:46.140 --> 21:50.060] And there's like a Japanese version of this that's where they're like, no one explained [21:50.060 --> 21:52.460] who the fuck Thomas Jefferson was in this manga. [21:52.460 --> 21:53.460] I was so confused. [21:53.460 --> 21:55.860] Thomas Jefferson with Beast Powers. [21:55.860 --> 21:56.860] Oh, God. [21:56.860 --> 21:59.780] You can turn to a tiger. [21:59.780 --> 22:02.860] It's weird that they did that because I kind of got that vibe as well where I'm like, okay, [22:02.860 --> 22:04.860] we're kind of speed running through a lot of these characters. [22:04.860 --> 22:06.020] There's like no world building. [22:06.020 --> 22:07.180] There's no character development. [22:07.180 --> 22:09.580] And then I wrote down the chapter because it just blew me. [22:09.580 --> 22:11.540] Chapter four is like a double exposition drop. [22:11.540 --> 22:13.740] We're just like, okay, we got to explain everything we haven't explained. [22:13.740 --> 22:15.420] And it just dumps it all on you. [22:15.420 --> 22:18.940] I didn't write exactly what they did, but I think it was like what lands are and then [22:18.940 --> 22:21.460] how of the powers and that was just the chapter. [22:21.460 --> 22:25.660] Again, it's like, all right, look, here's what this section of Japanese history is like. [22:25.660 --> 22:28.900] And then even the main character is like, whoa, that was a lot. [22:28.900 --> 22:29.900] Yeah. [22:29.900 --> 22:32.780] I didn't keep pick up on any of that. [22:32.780 --> 22:34.380] I don't think that main character would have. [22:34.380 --> 22:38.260] He felt like Luffy, but like only a third of the intelligence because he was just running [22:38.260 --> 22:39.260] in the garbage. [22:39.260 --> 22:40.260] Yeah. [22:40.260 --> 22:41.260] It's also this series. [22:41.260 --> 22:45.940] Nothing really happens besides boss fights, which I get is really exciting and kind of [22:45.940 --> 22:47.180] also how Demon Slayer works. [22:47.180 --> 22:50.380] But I'm like, God, are you guys going to do anything except for just be dropped in missions [22:50.380 --> 22:52.300] and then fight like the strongest dude? [22:52.300 --> 22:53.820] And that's the entire arc. [22:53.820 --> 22:54.820] That's true. [22:54.820 --> 22:57.780] I feel like Demon Slayer read this and went, oh, I can make it better. [22:57.780 --> 22:58.780] Yeah. [22:58.780 --> 23:01.260] I mean, he did, I guess. [23:01.260 --> 23:06.660] This manga also commits like one of the most common sins where like it has the bad guy [23:06.660 --> 23:08.340] at the end. [23:08.340 --> 23:12.620] And he's like talking about how it's like, don't you want to live in like a system without [23:12.620 --> 23:16.580] like a caste system where like we're free and equal. [23:16.580 --> 23:19.180] And the author's like, wait, shit, that makes too much sense. [23:19.180 --> 23:22.740] And then he's like, by the way, I'm going to kill a ton of innocent people. [23:22.740 --> 23:23.740] Yeah. [23:23.740 --> 23:25.660] We live in a society. [23:25.660 --> 23:26.660] Yeah. [23:26.660 --> 23:30.500] Oh, by the speaking of like the fights, you know, it's like, it seems like the only metric [23:30.500 --> 23:32.500] of power was who was faster. [23:32.500 --> 23:33.500] That was the only thing. [23:33.500 --> 23:36.620] So if you were faster than your opponent, you were going to instantly win the fight. [23:37.100 --> 23:38.260] Yeah, that makes sense. [23:38.260 --> 23:40.580] I didn't think about that, but yeah, that's what they were doing. [23:40.580 --> 23:41.940] Where was the cheetah, dude? [23:41.940 --> 23:44.500] They constantly said how power is all that matters. [23:44.500 --> 23:45.660] More power is important. [23:45.660 --> 23:47.500] If you have more power, you win, but you're right. [23:47.500 --> 23:52.700] Every fight was won by who's faster, which I guess you get sliced by a sword. [23:52.700 --> 23:57.340] It doesn't really matter like, except they all have regenerative abilities. [23:57.340 --> 23:58.340] Well, that's true. [23:58.340 --> 24:02.420] Remember, like one of them gets impaled and it's like, it's okay, I'll regenerate, but [24:02.420 --> 24:06.060] he had like, he was like, his animal had no regenerative abilities. [24:06.140 --> 24:08.380] They just all have baseline super regeneration. [24:08.620 --> 24:13.700] Oh, God, you remember like the end, the end part where it was like, it was almost like [24:13.700 --> 24:18.860] one of like a Bruce Lee game of death thing where like they went up some random [24:18.860 --> 24:24.460] like, uh, pagoda building and just ran into like different bad guys on each floor. [24:24.460 --> 24:24.740] Yeah. [24:24.740 --> 24:28.060] And then they were like, Hey, we have this huge cast of characters and you don't know [24:28.060 --> 24:28.700] who any of them are. [24:28.700 --> 24:30.740] Hey, random guy, you take out this guy. [24:30.740 --> 24:31.540] I got it. [24:31.540 --> 24:32.340] They go to the next one. [24:32.340 --> 24:34.900] It's like, Oh, I know a guy who can handle this. [24:34.900 --> 24:35.780] How about you? [24:35.780 --> 24:39.060] And they go to the next guy and they're like, Whoa, you're going to take him out. [24:39.060 --> 24:39.620] Yeah. [24:39.660 --> 24:42.180] Whoa, I wasn't expecting you to take him out. [24:42.180 --> 24:44.740] And the whole time reader, you're like, the fuck is this guy? [24:44.780 --> 24:47.140] And then they kiss the fucker any of these people. [24:47.620 --> 24:51.100] And depending on your, are there any issues that we haven't brought up yet that [24:51.100 --> 24:51.820] stand out to you? [24:52.020 --> 24:53.940] Uh, what did I write over here? [24:53.980 --> 24:57.620] Uh, no, just, I really feel like it was just every trope. [24:57.620 --> 25:00.140] Like I'm just reading a collection of tropes. [25:00.140 --> 25:03.060] That was my biggest complaint with it didn't go anywhere because it ended. [25:04.060 --> 25:07.940] I mean, yeah, one of the issues with it with being so generic is sometimes it's [25:07.940 --> 25:10.980] not even, there's not even much talk about how it failed other than it's just [25:10.980 --> 25:13.500] like, it sure is a thing that exists. [25:13.580 --> 25:13.940] Yeah. [25:14.020 --> 25:14.420] Yeah. [25:14.420 --> 25:15.660] There's no world building. [25:15.660 --> 25:19.580] Like why are they going on these missions and like, we just, we got to stop the [25:19.580 --> 25:20.220] cho shoe. [25:20.220 --> 25:20.540] Come on. [25:20.540 --> 25:21.620] Did you miss that page? [25:21.700 --> 25:22.660] I guess. [25:22.980 --> 25:23.660] Yeah. [25:23.860 --> 25:27.260] I also love how there's like this weird filler where they'll talk because they [25:27.260 --> 25:28.260] only do boss fights. [25:28.260 --> 25:31.340] So there's always like a cut scene where I saw in one of the chapters they talked [25:31.340 --> 25:35.300] with the dude for five pages about nothing and then finally battled him. [25:35.340 --> 25:35.900] Oh God. [25:35.900 --> 25:39.660] Cause the offer couldn't fit the fight into 15 to 19 pages. [25:39.900 --> 25:41.020] He really just wanted fights. [25:41.020 --> 25:41.980] That's all he wanted. [25:41.980 --> 25:42.460] Yeah. [25:42.460 --> 25:42.820] God. [25:42.820 --> 25:47.660] They had that one dude with like a lance who could spin it really fast and it [25:47.660 --> 25:48.860] would catch on fire. [25:48.940 --> 25:51.420] I guess made a point like, what sort is that? [25:51.620 --> 25:53.900] Yeah, it's a European sword, I guess. [25:53.900 --> 25:55.740] That's what European swords look like. [25:55.940 --> 25:58.420] Just meant they call everything a sort of guy ticks out a bow. [25:59.260 --> 26:00.340] What kind of sort is that? [26:00.340 --> 26:01.620] This is a crazy sword. [26:01.660 --> 26:03.260] It's a sword that throws sword. [26:03.300 --> 26:05.140] Whoa, that's a good idea. [26:05.180 --> 26:08.140] Much like, why don't we talk about what this series did well? [26:08.420 --> 26:11.500] OK, so Jordan, what's the net to you as a positive? [26:11.740 --> 26:16.300] I mean, this manga was a pretty quick read like we've read manga, Benny, that [26:16.300 --> 26:21.300] have been about this length, but have just felt like 40 fucking chapters. [26:21.580 --> 26:22.380] I will agree with you. [26:22.380 --> 26:25.740] I got the chapter 13 and I'm like, they're just going to fight to the ending. [26:25.740 --> 26:27.220] And I just started kind of quickly skimming. [26:27.220 --> 26:28.540] I didn't feel like I missed anything. [26:28.540 --> 26:29.100] No, you didn't. [26:29.940 --> 26:32.580] It's like, OK, that's nice. [26:32.580 --> 26:33.980] Nothing really mattered. [26:33.980 --> 26:37.940] But at the same time, I felt like the manga didn't waste my time, sort of. [26:37.980 --> 26:39.620] It knew what it was the whole time. [26:39.620 --> 26:42.700] It knew what it was and then had nothing else. [26:42.900 --> 26:43.700] I will give a props. [26:43.700 --> 26:46.100] There wasn't an insanely large amount of exposition. [26:46.100 --> 26:48.700] But me part of that was it was leaning on the fact that we knew the setting. [26:48.900 --> 26:52.500] Well, like I said, all the exposition was in chapter four and that was it. [26:52.500 --> 26:53.380] Yeah, this is all you need. [26:53.380 --> 26:54.140] We're going to go fight shit now. [26:54.140 --> 26:57.220] You know that he's like, yeah, we don't have to figure out who this main [26:57.220 --> 26:57.860] character is. [26:57.860 --> 26:58.860] Fuck it, who cares? [26:59.060 --> 27:00.580] This is the positive section. [27:00.580 --> 27:06.500] Um, I thought it was pretty interesting to bring up the black fucking plague. [27:06.500 --> 27:09.500] Also, like, didn't the black plague come from China? [27:09.500 --> 27:13.020] Kind of like I actually researched it and they said they're not 100%. [27:13.020 --> 27:15.940] There's not 100% consensus of where the origin point of the disease was. [27:15.940 --> 27:17.820] But didn't it also affect China? [27:17.820 --> 27:21.860] Like, I think it influenced like Turkey around that area. [27:21.860 --> 27:23.260] I don't know if it made it to Asia. [27:23.460 --> 27:26.540] My point is I feel like they should know about the black play because they were [27:26.540 --> 27:28.460] all like, what the fuck's the black plague? [27:28.740 --> 27:29.940] And he's like, I'm a rat. [27:29.940 --> 27:30.740] Fear me. [27:31.780 --> 27:34.940] The black plague was during isolation in Japan, right? [27:35.140 --> 27:35.940] That that's fair. [27:35.940 --> 27:36.540] You know what? [27:36.540 --> 27:39.140] Listen, er, I'm not a Japan historian. [27:39.140 --> 27:39.940] I don't know. [27:39.940 --> 27:40.860] Anyway, I did. [27:40.860 --> 27:44.460] I did kind of think it was pretty cool that they were just like, yeah, it's the black [27:44.460 --> 27:46.740] plague and they were like, yeah, that sucks. [27:46.780 --> 27:47.660] Let's stop it. [27:47.660 --> 27:51.260] And then the guy, the guy just turned into a giant inflatable rat. [27:51.700 --> 27:52.380] You are right, though. [27:52.380 --> 27:55.020] They do think it originated or around China. [27:55.020 --> 27:55.780] So good point. [27:55.780 --> 27:55.980] Yeah. [27:56.060 --> 27:59.140] I will say by the speaking of death, I think it was really cool how they gave [27:59.140 --> 28:03.140] the snake eye a giant sword, but they kept making it kind of have like the silhouette [28:03.140 --> 28:04.380] of a, a scythe. [28:04.420 --> 28:04.780] Yeah. [28:04.780 --> 28:07.900] If you notice how there's a lot of usage of tonage and the way he swings it. [28:07.940 --> 28:11.700] So I mean, the visual imagery when the offer really cares looks really cool. [28:11.700 --> 28:14.940] There's a lot of really gruesome art that is pretty intense for shown and jump. [28:14.940 --> 28:18.660] But like, besides the characters looking really similar, the art is actually pretty solid. [28:18.940 --> 28:19.820] Did I make this up? [28:19.820 --> 28:23.500] Do they do the thing in this manga where they're like, his arm has a billion joints in it? [28:23.740 --> 28:24.980] I don't think they did that. [28:24.980 --> 28:26.780] I think it was just a sword was super long. [28:26.900 --> 28:30.100] Yeah, long, long weaponry and then a broken sword and two sort. [28:30.260 --> 28:33.940] Ah, and then Benny, were there any positives that you feel we haven't touched on yet? [28:34.340 --> 28:37.060] No, no, I think you guys got, you got them. [28:37.060 --> 28:37.500] It's good. [28:38.700 --> 28:42.100] I do think also another scene like is actually the bathhouse scene was kind of cool [28:42.100 --> 28:45.140] where we think like all of these bad guys are showing up and they're like, Oh, no, we're [28:45.140 --> 28:45.700] the good guys. [28:45.700 --> 28:48.340] And I get it's pretty shit that he had to have that scene. [28:48.340 --> 28:51.860] But I do think that he at least introduced the entire cast in a fun way. [28:51.860 --> 28:54.620] By making the guy think, Oh, shit, we got to square up and be like, Oh, no, we're [28:54.620 --> 28:55.300] on your side. [28:55.300 --> 28:56.340] We just look evil. [28:56.620 --> 29:01.260] I also liked the Wikipedia rabbit holes that this manga sent me down. [29:01.340 --> 29:02.220] That was fun. [29:03.300 --> 29:07.460] Jordan's going to make an eight hour video essay about this research on this. [29:07.740 --> 29:09.140] About the shinsengumi. [29:09.220 --> 29:09.940] Yeah. [29:10.220 --> 29:11.460] Also, the exam arc was short. [29:11.460 --> 29:11.940] So points. [29:12.220 --> 29:12.580] Yeah. [29:12.580 --> 29:15.540] When we got to that, that's when I was like, this really is just demon slayer. [29:15.540 --> 29:18.740] And to the point where I googled when did demon slayer start? [29:18.940 --> 29:19.260] Right. [29:19.260 --> 29:19.740] Me too. [29:19.740 --> 29:20.900] After or before this. [29:22.060 --> 29:23.220] It's impressive, right? [29:23.300 --> 29:23.700] Yeah. [29:23.860 --> 29:26.700] This is not the first time we've read a manga where it plagiarized the series that [29:26.700 --> 29:31.940] came out after it, which makes me be like, Oh, man, I thought demon slayer was cooler. [29:32.020 --> 29:32.940] No. [29:33.180 --> 29:35.460] What you thought demon slayer was original? [29:36.020 --> 29:39.180] Well, yeah, I mean, demons and swords. [29:39.380 --> 29:40.300] Yeah. [29:40.500 --> 29:41.820] And a demon girl. [29:42.020 --> 29:42.340] Yeah. [29:42.340 --> 29:42.860] Oh, yeah. [29:42.860 --> 29:43.540] No, you're right. [29:43.740 --> 29:49.700] You know, when you say when I say it like that, he's doing one of those bamboozles, Jordan. [29:50.060 --> 29:51.300] Whoa. [29:51.620 --> 29:54.860] It is weird how well in counter series that seem to plagiarize, but they came up first. [29:54.860 --> 29:59.340] It's like we read a serious black torch, which is about a guy who has a pet demon [29:59.340 --> 30:02.580] buddy who gets fatally wounded and the demon becomes his heart. [30:02.580 --> 30:04.860] And that came out like two years before chainsaw man. [30:05.100 --> 30:06.780] But did it have chainsaws? [30:06.980 --> 30:07.740] Uh, no, it didn't. [30:07.780 --> 30:09.740] Oh, then chainsaw man's original. [30:10.420 --> 30:15.580] It does have a author who spent 10,000 hours mastering how to draw women's asses. [30:15.820 --> 30:20.620] Where is that masterclass and how do I get into like literally if you read it, he [30:20.620 --> 30:23.220] just forces an ass shot, but we're like, we're not even mad. [30:23.220 --> 30:25.100] This dude knows how to draw women's asses. [30:25.380 --> 30:27.100] That was black torch. [30:27.300 --> 30:27.580] Yeah. [30:27.580 --> 30:28.500] Writing it down. [30:29.580 --> 30:33.540] If you want to see some of the most beautifully drawn women's asses, check that out [30:33.540 --> 30:35.260] or check out Hunter's Guild Red Hood. [30:35.500 --> 30:35.940] Yeah. [30:35.980 --> 30:39.500] That's if you like them thick, but I also like talking about where it could have gone. [30:39.540 --> 30:40.660] So let's dive into that. [30:40.940 --> 30:45.340] Ah, you know, it's a good sign when we just start talking about other manga in the [30:45.340 --> 30:46.740] pot in the episode. [30:46.740 --> 30:50.420] That's a good sign for the quality of a lot of meat on these bones. [30:50.900 --> 30:54.540] Really, but Benny, how would you revise the series? [30:55.020 --> 30:58.820] Well, I would have immediately completely changed that main character around, make [30:58.820 --> 31:00.220] him stand out a little bit more. [31:00.260 --> 31:02.820] And I think that which we still could have easily done. [31:02.860 --> 31:05.220] You start the series out as you put it on in. [31:05.220 --> 31:06.260] Was it all gas? [31:06.300 --> 31:06.660] Yeah. [31:06.740 --> 31:09.380] You know, just all gas to come out, you show the boss fights. [31:09.420 --> 31:13.220] I would not have started with a new rat, a newt. [31:13.260 --> 31:16.340] And, you know, the bird, like the snake was cool and the wolf were cool. [31:16.380 --> 31:19.820] I would have come out of a gate with some crazy animals, like so that we could [31:19.820 --> 31:21.340] have gone into bigger animals. [31:21.340 --> 31:23.740] Like, what did you start going into more mythical animals? [31:23.740 --> 31:25.820] Like really just diving into the whole thing. [31:26.020 --> 31:28.220] I really thought that was the end game was. [31:28.460 --> 31:30.460] I mean, I have to respect multiple animals. [31:30.460 --> 31:32.700] Also, it makes sense, but I really thought like a Phoenix [31:32.700 --> 31:34.020] dude was going to show up or something. [31:34.060 --> 31:36.380] Yeah, that's where I thought we were going with this. [31:36.380 --> 31:39.060] When he started with the nukes, I'm like, OK, well, we got to get huge. [31:39.060 --> 31:41.140] Like we're going to start super low and go crazy. [31:41.140 --> 31:43.540] So I really feel like the characters need a lot more development. [31:43.540 --> 31:46.580] I think that would have been a great direction to take it, really focus on that. [31:46.580 --> 31:49.500] Instead of focusing on just having boss fights every other chapter, which is [31:49.500 --> 31:52.860] where we boil down to and more animals, like really the animal concept. [31:52.860 --> 31:53.660] I don't think it was terrible. [31:53.660 --> 31:56.060] I really just think it was really underutilized. [31:56.340 --> 32:00.540] Yeah, no, I felt like it was like like it should have been flashier. [32:00.540 --> 32:02.260] It should have been like bigger. [32:02.260 --> 32:07.340] Yeah, like I'm still not 100% sure what like the captain's wolf power does. [32:07.380 --> 32:10.860] I'm not really sure how the wolf power helps the main character that much. [32:11.020 --> 32:13.180] Yeah, he can chop wood. [32:13.380 --> 32:16.420] I'm not really sure how the snow leopard power helps that guy. [32:16.460 --> 32:19.980] It did a bad job of explaining what the point of the powers were. [32:20.180 --> 32:25.180] Yeah. Yeah, I also think the first chapter eludes that he's like a beast person who [32:25.180 --> 32:28.300] turns into a human, which I think would have been a really cool direction, where this [32:28.300 --> 32:32.100] like just has like these beast animals and like they are able to survive by [32:32.100 --> 32:34.180] hiding and working for the Japanese government. [32:34.180 --> 32:37.260] So that would have been cool where it's like these beast samurai hiding, fighting [32:37.260 --> 32:41.180] other beast monsters to like keep the public, like, you know, like hiding it [32:41.180 --> 32:42.620] from the public and shit like that. [32:42.660 --> 32:44.180] I wanted to ask about that because it does. [32:44.180 --> 32:48.380] It shows him with claws and the buddy jinnier, you know, he's showing up and he's [32:48.380 --> 32:49.740] helping to get through it and all that stuff. [32:49.740 --> 32:51.500] And then none of that comes back. [32:51.500 --> 32:52.580] He just gets a wolf power. [32:52.620 --> 32:54.620] Yeah, it just only is in the first chapter. [32:54.620 --> 32:57.140] Like the guy's like, oh, you're a monster where we got to hide you. [32:57.180 --> 32:57.900] Hey, that's it. [32:57.940 --> 33:00.980] Oh, you know, this is where it could have gone, but I'm just remembering things [33:00.980 --> 33:02.860] about this manga the more we talk about it. [33:02.900 --> 33:08.380] I remember I got really annoyed when like, I think Okita is talking to Giro [33:08.380 --> 33:11.220] and Jiro's like, I've been in a town of fights and he's like, you've never [33:11.220 --> 33:13.260] been in a fight with somebody who's stronger than you. [33:13.260 --> 33:17.380] And it's like, dude, this little kid has killed like a ton of adult samurai. [33:17.580 --> 33:18.580] Like how are that? [33:18.580 --> 33:21.420] Like, it's like you've never in a fight of life and death. [33:21.420 --> 33:23.100] And I'm like, yes, he has. [33:23.140 --> 33:26.380] What are you talking about constantly? [33:26.420 --> 33:27.860] Isn't that all the series opens? [33:27.860 --> 33:29.060] He's in a fight of life and death. [33:29.060 --> 33:30.620] And that's how his buddy dies. [33:30.620 --> 33:31.340] Yes. [33:32.060 --> 33:35.180] And he very much handles himself during the new fight. [33:35.220 --> 33:37.140] They kill so many people. [33:37.180 --> 33:42.700] They have killed so many fucking samurai before they ever get into town. [33:42.780 --> 33:44.740] I don't know why they did it. [33:44.740 --> 33:46.460] It seemed like for fun. [33:46.660 --> 33:49.820] Yeah, this series completely pretends its first chapter is not [33:49.820 --> 33:51.460] came into the rest of the series. [33:51.660 --> 33:54.620] Maybe the first chapter came out, the first chapter came out, and then he's like, [33:54.620 --> 33:55.580] oh, I should do something else. [33:55.580 --> 33:59.220] And then went that way because we've seen series drastically revise [33:59.220 --> 34:01.340] based on their pilot, but they make a new pilot. [34:01.340 --> 34:04.460] This just ditched a bunch of continuity from the first chapter and kept going. [34:04.500 --> 34:07.580] It set up some check offs guns and then just threw the guns away. [34:09.300 --> 34:12.380] I also want to say that I think the back house scene would have been cool [34:12.380 --> 34:13.700] if they were actually the bad guys. [34:13.700 --> 34:15.060] And that was like neutral territory. [34:15.060 --> 34:18.340] And you see the protagonist actually interacting with the bad guys in like a way [34:18.340 --> 34:21.220] where they can only talk, which would have been really great [34:21.220 --> 34:23.660] because the only way people interact in the series is fighting. [34:23.860 --> 34:25.740] Oh, my God, David, you mean tension? [34:25.940 --> 34:28.300] Yeah, tension in this fucking manga. [34:28.380 --> 34:30.020] You want the dude from Dragon Ball Z to show up? [34:30.220 --> 34:32.660] Oh, my God, David, price. [34:32.700 --> 34:36.980] That reminds me near like the very end, the bad guy, Sakamoto shows up, [34:36.980 --> 34:40.940] and he starts talking to Hijikata like about how like they have this history. [34:40.940 --> 34:43.060] And they never tell us what the history is. [34:43.300 --> 34:44.060] They were in love. [34:44.060 --> 34:46.660] Like, I don't know how they know each other. [34:46.700 --> 34:48.620] Why do I care about this? [34:48.740 --> 34:50.660] We ran out of pages. [34:50.660 --> 34:52.540] They definitely did. [34:52.540 --> 34:55.620] Those last two chapters just felt like we just sped run to the end. [34:55.620 --> 34:55.940] Yeah. [34:55.940 --> 34:56.220] All right. [34:56.220 --> 34:57.860] Well, if we didn't explain it, we never will. [34:57.860 --> 34:58.260] There we go. [34:58.260 --> 34:58.780] Let's get out. [34:58.780 --> 35:02.460] Would you believe that this is very common in the manga that we cover, Benny? [35:02.740 --> 35:04.540] I'm seeing that trend now. [35:05.380 --> 35:07.620] Where it's just like three chapters from the end. [35:07.620 --> 35:09.540] They learned, ah, shit, I'm getting canceled. [35:09.540 --> 35:10.180] Fuck. [35:10.180 --> 35:11.820] I got to hurry this shit up. [35:11.820 --> 35:13.020] So I at least have an ending. [35:13.260 --> 35:14.380] Well, at least they end it. [35:14.660 --> 35:15.260] That's true. [35:15.260 --> 35:17.860] Yeah, I'm like some manga demons planned. [35:18.140 --> 35:19.900] Yeah, I also have one last point. [35:19.900 --> 35:22.900] I think it actually would have been cool if they'd only use Japan animals, [35:22.900 --> 35:23.820] at least at the start. [35:23.820 --> 35:26.940] And then you really could have had some cool deep cut references to animals [35:26.940 --> 35:28.620] because they talk about wolves are extinct. [35:28.620 --> 35:30.460] But then the fucking grill shows up. [35:30.460 --> 35:32.380] You know, it's like they clearly aren't really caring [35:32.380 --> 35:34.100] about how these animals interact with Japanese culture. [35:34.380 --> 35:34.740] Right. [35:35.980 --> 35:39.740] Yeah, I just looked up the cassowary because maybe that's a Japanese animal. [35:39.740 --> 35:42.420] No, it's not from New Guinea and Australia. [35:42.460 --> 35:44.300] So I don't, I don't know. [35:44.500 --> 35:45.660] I don't know, but I do. [35:45.660 --> 35:48.100] Let's just get into miscellaneous spots where we've been wanting to hang out [35:48.100 --> 35:50.180] for quite a while during this recording. [35:50.180 --> 35:50.780] Yeah. [35:50.780 --> 35:55.060] Did you notice they show a lot of people having five toes despite most [35:55.060 --> 35:56.780] of these animals having like do claws and stuff? [35:56.780 --> 36:00.180] I just thought it was so weird to say a fully articulated foot [36:00.180 --> 36:02.780] that has the same like proportions as a human foot. [36:03.020 --> 36:04.780] I did not notice that. [36:04.780 --> 36:08.340] Yeah, there's a lot of times where the show five toad animal feet. [36:08.580 --> 36:11.260] So when you go on tangents, how often do you go into feet? [36:11.260 --> 36:16.060] I mean, keep in mind, as a manga, like as a drawing, [36:16.060 --> 36:20.180] that meant that this guy spent like a long time just on the feet, [36:20.180 --> 36:22.180] lovingly crafting those feet. [36:22.420 --> 36:26.780] Yeah, it's like this nemesis, the black torch guy with the asses. [36:26.980 --> 36:28.620] Yeah, thousand hours of feet. [36:29.580 --> 36:31.180] Yeah. Oh, God. [36:31.180 --> 36:31.620] All right. [36:31.620 --> 36:33.620] Does anyone have any other miscellaneous spots? [36:33.620 --> 36:36.060] Or should I read all the wonderful notes Maxi B has provided us? [36:36.340 --> 36:37.620] I think I mentioned it earlier. [36:37.620 --> 36:40.460] When you look up these historical figures, [36:40.460 --> 36:44.700] you have some pictures of them and they looked absolutely nothing [36:44.700 --> 36:48.060] like the drawings in this manga, not even remotely. [36:48.060 --> 36:49.940] Like, you couldn't even look at their eye. [36:49.940 --> 36:51.500] See why they emphasize that. [36:51.500 --> 36:54.260] No, so stupid. [36:54.460 --> 36:56.420] Oh, my God. Oh, God. [36:56.420 --> 36:59.300] And actually speaking on that, Maxi B has provided us some insights. [36:59.300 --> 37:01.700] So it turns out that apparently the author's sister [37:01.700 --> 37:03.380] handled the calligraphy for the series. [37:03.380 --> 37:05.380] She's an accomplished maga gun, her own right and has worked [37:05.380 --> 37:07.620] in assistance to Princess Jellyfish's author. [37:07.620 --> 37:09.340] But she always has time to help her brother. [37:09.340 --> 37:11.340] She helped on this and also on Zip Man. [37:11.340 --> 37:12.220] That's nice. [37:12.220 --> 37:16.220] And a brief guide on the two notable black ships of Japanese history. [37:16.220 --> 37:19.700] First is Portuguese ships, literally black from their pitch coding, [37:19.700 --> 37:22.900] which came in 1543, bringing almost a hundred years of trade [37:22.900 --> 37:26.100] before an insidious infection of Christianity drove Japan [37:26.100 --> 37:27.220] into self isolation. [37:27.220 --> 37:29.700] It's more complicated than that, but yeah. [37:29.700 --> 37:32.820] Those are all Maxi B's words, by the way, just saying. [37:32.820 --> 37:33.500] Yeah. Yeah. [37:33.580 --> 37:35.820] OK, is Maxi B a B? [37:35.820 --> 37:36.420] Yeah. [37:36.420 --> 37:37.460] They turn into a beep. [37:37.460 --> 37:39.620] They're also a manga historian. [37:39.620 --> 37:40.980] Oh, that's true, actually. [37:40.980 --> 37:44.700] Second are the ships, not black this time, but speed black clouds [37:44.700 --> 37:48.300] of smoke that Americans arrived in 1853 to forcibly break Japan [37:48.300 --> 37:50.140] out of its hundreds of years of isolation. [37:50.140 --> 37:51.940] Could the impact of Commodore Matthew Perry [37:51.940 --> 37:54.580] and Matthew Perry sleep be any more notable? [37:54.580 --> 37:57.420] Anyway, those are the ones that Yoko Mona references. [37:57.420 --> 38:01.940] I see that that definitely worked out really well for America [38:01.940 --> 38:04.940] like 80 years later. [38:04.940 --> 38:08.420] Eventually, I think it did, but I mean, yeah, Japan is like actually [38:08.420 --> 38:10.380] this really cold war in Japan was like really [38:10.380 --> 38:13.940] our only unambiguous ally in Asia for pretty much [38:13.940 --> 38:15.300] the majority of the Cold War. [38:15.300 --> 38:16.500] OK, OK. [38:16.500 --> 38:17.780] Yeah, you know. [38:17.780 --> 38:19.660] Yama Zaki's Mask features a variation [38:19.660 --> 38:21.560] of the ever-present writing-based children's [38:21.560 --> 38:24.660] doodle long Japanese word you can reach in Maxi B's. [38:24.660 --> 38:26.380] Hano Hano moheji. [38:26.380 --> 38:26.900] Sure. [38:26.900 --> 38:30.500] So named because the features are made out of hiragana characters [38:30.500 --> 38:33.580] that he, no, mo, and ji through this version [38:33.580 --> 38:35.620] breaks tradition by combining the final he and she [38:35.620 --> 38:36.580] to make a giant smirk. [38:36.580 --> 38:38.780] The final story I have seen that drawing before. [38:38.780 --> 38:39.620] Now I know. [38:39.620 --> 38:40.940] Oh, yeah, it's very popular. [38:40.940 --> 38:41.620] Yeah. [38:41.620 --> 38:44.060] The final storyline from the capture and torture [38:44.060 --> 38:46.500] of Fujiutaka to the Shinisigumi, [38:46.500 --> 38:49.100] attacking an in-and-chosu inside is a direct reference [38:49.100 --> 38:52.380] to the Ikidai incident, a historical event of some debate [38:52.380 --> 38:55.540] involving a good bit of bloodshed and a possible arson attempt, [38:55.540 --> 38:58.540] an interesting read for history buffs and Guy Fox types. [38:58.540 --> 39:01.700] One sec, opening that in a separate tab. [39:01.700 --> 39:02.620] OK. [39:02.620 --> 39:04.460] The rabbit hole continues. [39:04.460 --> 39:05.460] Yes, it does. [39:07.940 --> 39:10.420] And finally they say it's quite a bold move [39:10.420 --> 39:11.740] to make Sakamoto the villain. [39:11.740 --> 39:13.860] Like, yes, he is an enemy of the Shinisigumi [39:13.860 --> 39:15.940] in that he hunted him a lot and more ultimately [39:15.940 --> 39:17.660] deemed responsible for his assassination. [39:17.660 --> 39:19.820] And Kondo Asami was executed as a result, [39:19.820 --> 39:22.100] but he dreamt of democracy, of removing the caste [39:22.100 --> 39:23.460] system and ending feudalism. [39:23.460 --> 39:25.980] And his largely romanticized as an absolute. [39:25.980 --> 39:28.300] So this is like literally turning Abraham [39:28.300 --> 39:29.940] like into a bad guy. [39:29.940 --> 39:31.220] That's what I was saying, though. [39:31.220 --> 39:34.220] It's like, yeah, you're so yes, so Maxie P agrees with you. [39:34.220 --> 39:35.820] It's like, you do this all the time. [39:35.820 --> 39:38.340] I mean, you know, Magneto is the famous example [39:38.340 --> 39:41.300] where the sky shows up and he starts talking about oppression [39:41.300 --> 39:42.740] and he's making a lot of sense. [39:42.740 --> 39:44.300] And it's like, oh shit, the reader's [39:44.300 --> 39:45.700] going to get on this guy's side. [39:45.700 --> 39:47.260] So then the guy's like, I'm going to kill [39:47.260 --> 39:48.380] a ton of innocent people now. [39:48.380 --> 39:50.260] Let me just murder a billion people. [39:50.260 --> 39:50.740] Oof. [39:50.740 --> 39:52.420] That's all I had for Ms. Lancelot. [39:52.420 --> 39:53.820] Shall we get into final verdict? [39:53.820 --> 39:54.180] Yeah. [39:54.180 --> 39:56.340] So let's get started with some sex work summaries [39:56.340 --> 39:57.860] from the community, starting with Tucker. [39:57.860 --> 39:59.420] Stop introducing new characters. [39:59.420 --> 40:00.820] They're nothing burgers. [40:00.820 --> 40:05.380] Maxie B, fur, Asian, Sangumi, should have been fanfic fodder. [40:05.380 --> 40:08.540] Or paladin, didn't we already do beast children? [40:08.540 --> 40:10.780] Benny, what's beast children about? [40:10.780 --> 40:13.980] Children are sort of the beast or wrong, rugby. [40:13.980 --> 40:15.780] God. [40:15.780 --> 40:19.380] Man, Diego says, oh, yes, finally, the beast children. [40:19.380 --> 40:21.820] Dear rocks, decent art, fun battles, boring story, [40:21.820 --> 40:23.620] or akin should have been around longer. [40:23.620 --> 40:24.220] Probably. [40:24.220 --> 40:27.180] Gray potters has buried under a boatload of characters [40:27.180 --> 40:30.300] or alternatively history will not remember this well. [40:30.300 --> 40:30.500] Nope. [40:30.500 --> 40:32.500] Captain Clueless said, who let the flop out? [40:32.500 --> 40:36.620] Who, Lorna Nubus, said insert free joke number 69420 here? [40:36.620 --> 40:38.020] Yeah. [40:38.020 --> 40:40.020] They also said, Oda had high hopes for you. [40:40.020 --> 40:42.980] Portalman, the furry community denies your existence. [40:42.980 --> 40:46.140] And Usagi, yo Jimbo is disappointed in you. [40:46.140 --> 40:47.980] Usagi, you Jimbo is pretty cool, though. [40:47.980 --> 40:48.660] Yeah. [40:48.660 --> 40:51.660] Yo Jimbo is definitely the Japanese app. [40:51.660 --> 40:52.540] Who, who direct? [40:52.540 --> 40:53.580] Why can I never remember? [40:53.580 --> 40:54.700] Akira Kurosawa. [40:54.700 --> 40:56.140] Yeah, it's definitely the Akira Kurosawa [40:57.260 --> 40:58.700] and it's like a BC boys album. [40:58.700 --> 41:01.460] Well, Usagi, you Jimbo is a different thing, David. [41:01.460 --> 41:02.780] I know, but yo Jimbo. [41:02.780 --> 41:03.220] That's true. [41:03.220 --> 41:04.220] We did watch you Jimbo. [41:04.220 --> 41:05.620] That's a good fucking movie. [41:05.620 --> 41:06.020] We did. [41:06.020 --> 41:06.500] We did. [41:06.500 --> 41:08.460] I just remember the really giant guy is still alive [41:08.460 --> 41:10.540] and he's like 98 years old. [41:10.540 --> 41:11.260] Hell yeah. [41:11.260 --> 41:12.820] Real said, rewriting history. [41:12.820 --> 41:15.100] So everyone is werewolves. [41:15.100 --> 41:18.380] Smubby said, Japan's don't romanticize police challenge [41:18.380 --> 41:19.540] impossible. [41:19.540 --> 41:19.900] Yeah. [41:19.900 --> 41:23.220] America fails that challenge too a lot, OK? [41:23.220 --> 41:25.820] It's not just a Japanese problem. [41:25.820 --> 41:29.420] The spike says inside two wolves, B stars and acts. [41:29.420 --> 41:32.580] Watchtower says take two takes too long for fur. [41:32.580 --> 41:35.980] He's here on the 10 and reject furry and brace bowls of mayo. [41:35.980 --> 41:39.060] And finally, T Wolflet says zone devil fruits are more creative. [41:39.060 --> 41:40.140] So there we go. [41:40.140 --> 41:42.060] I was trying not to say the word zone devil fruit [41:42.060 --> 41:44.700] because I didn't want to take away from T Wolflet. [41:44.700 --> 41:45.620] Nice. [41:45.620 --> 41:46.820] I don't even think of that. [41:46.820 --> 41:48.340] Yes, they are better. [41:48.340 --> 41:49.540] Yeah, I didn't either. [41:49.540 --> 41:52.100] And then Benny, what was your six word summary? [41:52.100 --> 41:53.500] Since I thought about it right now, [41:53.500 --> 41:57.100] every show to jump manga ever words all at once. [41:57.100 --> 41:59.060] Yeah, I needed another word. [41:59.060 --> 42:02.380] So that's actually a black clover is every show to jump all at once. [42:02.380 --> 42:04.180] All right, we actually did an episode on it. [42:04.180 --> 42:06.580] And it is definitely the most manga of all time. [42:06.580 --> 42:08.580] But it's better than we thought it would be. [42:08.580 --> 42:09.220] Oh, yeah. [42:09.220 --> 42:11.140] Yeah, it's pretty good manga, actually. [42:11.140 --> 42:12.740] And then Jordan, what's yours? [42:12.740 --> 42:15.900] Well, this was definitely a manga. [42:15.900 --> 42:17.140] Yeah, all right. [42:17.140 --> 42:20.180] And then mine was holy shit, 50 mother fucking wolves. [42:20.180 --> 42:22.180] Goddamn. [42:22.180 --> 42:24.060] Why were there two people with wolf powers? [42:24.060 --> 42:24.660] Why? [42:24.660 --> 42:26.500] And they really did their attacks. [42:26.500 --> 42:28.500] We're like, oh my god, there was one moment where [42:28.500 --> 42:32.580] like Giro uses an attack and he's like 10 wolves. [42:32.580 --> 42:36.380] And then the bad guys like 10 wolves, 50 wolves. [42:37.940 --> 42:39.260] God damn, actually, that would have been cool [42:39.260 --> 42:41.380] if the main character's power was he wasn't a wolf. [42:41.380 --> 42:43.220] He was a werewolf. [42:43.220 --> 42:45.100] I'm just because they had mythical animals. [42:45.100 --> 42:45.740] Yeah. [42:45.740 --> 42:46.100] Yeah. [42:46.100 --> 42:47.940] Hey, that would have been something where would have gone. [42:47.940 --> 42:49.580] We would have gone to mythical. [42:49.580 --> 42:50.740] Yeah, but they did. [42:50.740 --> 42:52.020] There was a tracking guy. [42:52.020 --> 42:53.900] But he got thrown into the ending, which is why I was like, [42:53.900 --> 42:55.420] that's where we were going. [42:55.420 --> 42:56.220] He did. [42:56.220 --> 42:56.620] All right. [42:56.620 --> 42:59.140] So anyway, I think we all think this is a flop. [42:59.140 --> 43:01.620] The question is, is this a certified flop? [43:01.620 --> 43:04.740] So, Benny, would you use the word terrible to describe this series? [43:04.740 --> 43:06.580] Not if it has the training. [43:06.580 --> 43:07.740] Calling it a certified flop. [43:07.740 --> 43:10.060] What should someone check out instead of reading this? [43:10.060 --> 43:12.980] It could be anything, not just a manga, like anything. [43:12.980 --> 43:16.100] Watch Demon Slayer. [43:16.100 --> 43:17.060] Brave choice. [43:17.060 --> 43:18.020] How are you, Jordan? [43:18.020 --> 43:19.860] So, Benny, here's the thing. [43:19.900 --> 43:25.860] We've read so much trash that this is not a certified flop on our system. [43:26.860 --> 43:28.540] There is so much worse, Benny. [43:28.540 --> 43:30.580] You don't know how deep the barrel goes here. [43:30.580 --> 43:31.260] All right. [43:31.260 --> 43:32.100] OK. [43:32.100 --> 43:35.700] This is bottom of the barrel, but it is not through the bottom of the barrel. [43:35.700 --> 43:39.500] I can even at least probably 10 manga that are substantially worse than this. [43:39.500 --> 43:41.900] But is it not like the theme of your show? [43:41.900 --> 43:43.060] Yeah. [43:43.060 --> 43:43.820] Exactly. [43:43.820 --> 43:45.860] No, not blaming you for not doing that. [43:45.860 --> 43:49.060] I'm just saying I have experienced trash. [43:49.060 --> 43:50.940] So this is just a flop for me. [43:50.940 --> 43:53.540] And I would suggest watching you Jimbo. [43:53.540 --> 43:54.540] Yeah, that's a good one. [43:54.540 --> 43:56.180] I also think this is a flop. [43:56.180 --> 43:59.700] I would say if you want to just read Black Clover, if you want a better version. [43:59.700 --> 44:03.580] Or actually read Dragon and Chameleon, which has nothing to do with people with animal [44:03.580 --> 44:06.500] powers, but it has a lot of really cool animal inventory. [44:06.500 --> 44:08.780] And it's very good and more people should be reading it. [44:08.780 --> 44:09.140] OK. [44:09.140 --> 44:12.260] You know, you could do since they did some directional travel in this. [44:12.260 --> 44:13.660] It's probably journey to the West. [44:13.660 --> 44:14.780] So just go watch Dragon Ball. [44:14.780 --> 44:15.020] Yeah. [44:15.020 --> 44:15.500] Yeah. [44:15.500 --> 44:15.860] Yeah. [44:15.900 --> 44:18.140] Actually, this actually ties in because the person who [44:18.140 --> 44:20.340] dragged me was also an assistant for Oda. [44:20.340 --> 44:20.700] Ooh. [44:20.700 --> 44:22.460] Are you familiar with Dragon and Chameleon, Betty? [44:22.460 --> 44:22.740] No. [44:22.740 --> 44:27.060] So it is by an offer who created a series of flops. [44:27.060 --> 44:33.020] And it is a set about a assistant and a famous manga who swapped bodies. [44:33.020 --> 44:35.220] Oh, that's the manga you were talking about. [44:35.220 --> 44:35.420] What? [44:35.420 --> 44:38.780] What did we cover the manga he did that was by the guy who made a malgo [44:38.780 --> 44:39.620] of distortion? [44:39.620 --> 44:41.100] Oh, OK. [44:41.100 --> 44:43.540] The sheer increase in quality is astounding. [44:43.580 --> 44:47.060] Look, when you write a manga or a piece of media about something [44:47.060 --> 44:50.860] that you're very familiar with and you know, sometimes it's better. [44:50.860 --> 44:53.620] I would say, honestly, the quality gap is bigger than hungry [44:53.620 --> 44:54.580] Joker in Black Clover. [44:54.580 --> 44:55.140] Oh, wow. [44:55.140 --> 44:58.340] Unironically, Dragon Chameleon is one of the best things I'm reading right now. [44:58.340 --> 44:59.060] Oh, fuck yeah. [44:59.060 --> 45:00.660] So yeah, if you guys, I've definitely tried. [45:00.660 --> 45:03.020] It's only like 12 chapters, so it's really easy to catch up. [45:03.020 --> 45:04.620] It's just very, very cool. [45:04.620 --> 45:05.220] I'll talk about it. [45:05.220 --> 45:05.500] Yeah. [45:05.500 --> 45:08.140] All right, but yeah, the series is made not best or worse. [45:08.140 --> 45:09.660] Definitely not as good as chains. [45:09.660 --> 45:11.260] That's so fucking made. [45:11.340 --> 45:15.500] We have a joke where, like, if we say that this manga is not a flop, [45:15.500 --> 45:19.900] by the way, we then ask, was this better or worse than chainsaw, man? [45:19.900 --> 45:23.020] It's a joke that most people haven't heard because it's very rare [45:23.020 --> 45:24.820] that we don't read a flop on here. [45:27.460 --> 45:29.180] All right, but let's get into wrap up. [45:29.180 --> 45:32.300] Benny, I want to say thank you so much for joining us, especially. [45:32.300 --> 45:35.420] You are, I know, in recovery period from your time in Florida. [45:35.420 --> 45:35.580] Yes. [45:35.580 --> 45:38.260] Where can people find all of the wonderful things you do? [45:38.260 --> 45:40.820] The two biggest things that relate to what you guys do is comic [45:40.820 --> 45:43.700] story and I do audio narrations of comic books and rant and rave about [45:43.700 --> 45:45.700] comic books and what's wrong with all of them. [45:45.700 --> 45:49.620] And then manga story and where I'm basically playing catch up on series. [45:49.620 --> 45:52.140] I just kind of weirdly avoided such as one piece. [45:52.140 --> 45:53.740] I never read it until this year. [45:53.740 --> 45:54.460] Oh, wow. [45:54.460 --> 45:54.900] Yeah. [45:54.900 --> 45:56.620] How far are you in one piece right now? [45:56.620 --> 45:58.540] I've gotten to chapter 830 in a year. [45:58.540 --> 45:59.140] Oh, nice. [45:59.140 --> 45:59.620] I love it. [45:59.620 --> 45:59.820] Nice. [45:59.820 --> 46:01.540] I'm almost caught up in that's making me sad. [46:01.540 --> 46:04.860] But that's the hardest part about catching up to one piece, though. [46:04.860 --> 46:05.700] Yeah, exactly. [46:05.700 --> 46:06.460] I have so much of a journey. [46:06.460 --> 46:08.100] You say you're almost caught up. [46:08.100 --> 46:09.980] You still have over 200 chapters. [46:09.980 --> 46:11.660] He has over 300 chapters. [46:11.660 --> 46:14.620] Yeah, but I do like 30 to 40 in a week normally. [46:14.620 --> 46:15.060] Cheese. [46:15.060 --> 46:15.700] OK. [46:15.700 --> 46:18.260] Yeah, so I'm almost caught up. [46:18.260 --> 46:21.220] But I do manga story, which is basically just reactions to old manga [46:21.220 --> 46:23.300] and current stuff going on in the world of anime and manga. [46:23.300 --> 46:25.820] What's your favorite thing that like you've reacted to? [46:25.820 --> 46:27.060] Do not say one piece. [46:27.060 --> 46:28.140] You can't say that. [46:28.140 --> 46:30.860] Channels basically become like a one piece channel because how much I have to [46:30.860 --> 46:32.700] what you're trying to do weekly one piece videos. [46:32.700 --> 46:33.860] There's a lot of one piece on there. [46:33.860 --> 46:34.300] Yeah. [46:36.140 --> 46:39.380] A weird one that I found that I enjoyed that I picked up just on a whim [46:39.380 --> 46:41.620] as a Yakuza reincarnation. [46:41.620 --> 46:42.260] Interesting. [46:42.260 --> 46:43.060] I've not heard of it. [46:43.060 --> 46:44.180] It's not in Shonen Jump. [46:44.180 --> 46:45.220] That's why you would never have heard of it. [46:45.220 --> 46:46.460] So. [46:46.460 --> 46:50.940] But it's basically an old Yakuza guy dies and get isekai into a world. [46:50.940 --> 46:53.900] But in the body of a young princess who died at the exact same moment. [46:53.900 --> 46:54.660] Oh. [46:54.660 --> 46:57.460] But he has all the knowledge of being this old Yakuza guy. [46:57.460 --> 47:00.020] And he somehow gets magical powers at the same time. [47:00.020 --> 47:01.420] Well, that sounds interesting. [47:01.420 --> 47:02.500] Sounds spicy. [47:02.500 --> 47:05.940] There's no there's there's a weird amount of not fan service in it. [47:05.940 --> 47:08.260] Like you would assume that it would just be all fan surface. [47:08.340 --> 47:09.380] It's not. [47:09.380 --> 47:10.340] Well, that's good. [47:10.340 --> 47:11.900] You know, that's nice. [47:13.580 --> 47:14.980] I can respect that. [47:14.980 --> 47:16.060] Oh, my God. [47:16.060 --> 47:17.260] I can also respect you, Jordan. [47:17.260 --> 47:20.500] Thank you for all of your hard work on the show and being such great co-host. [47:20.500 --> 47:21.820] Oh, thank you, David. [47:21.820 --> 47:25.020] So much for being a friend. [47:25.020 --> 47:25.900] You know, I just want to know. [47:25.900 --> 47:28.300] I like that you guys have a note to thank each other. [47:28.300 --> 47:28.540] Just. [47:28.540 --> 47:30.140] Oh, I guess we have a problem. [47:30.140 --> 47:31.700] Right, Jordan? [47:31.700 --> 47:34.060] Not for me, but for Jordan. [47:34.060 --> 47:35.020] It's all right. [47:35.020 --> 47:36.340] Dead silence. [47:36.340 --> 47:37.700] Jordan figured out on his on this. [47:37.700 --> 47:39.180] So I was very proud of him. [47:39.180 --> 47:41.220] I want to say props to Merlyle for the awesome cover. [47:41.220 --> 47:44.740] Find her online at Lyle Mer and natural for being our generous art benefactor. [47:44.740 --> 47:48.580] Thanks to Dylan for assistance of editing and find his podcast anime out of context at [47:48.580 --> 47:50.260] animeoutofcontext.com. [47:50.260 --> 47:50.980] And I hope you're moving up. [47:50.980 --> 47:54.220] Well, thanks to Tucker and Maxie B for assistance with pronunciation, translation, [47:54.220 --> 47:55.460] other miscellaneous research. [47:55.460 --> 47:57.220] Tucker gave us so many pronunciation guides. [47:57.220 --> 47:58.220] I very much appreciate it. [47:58.220 --> 48:01.540] Find us on Twitter at shown in flop cast tumbler shown in dash flop. [48:01.540 --> 48:03.180] Our website shown in flop.com. [48:03.180 --> 48:06.980] We're also on Spotify, iTunes, YouTube, or wherever else you get your podcast income. [48:06.980 --> 48:08.060] Join the show on the flop discord. [48:08.060 --> 48:09.860] So open everyone, patron, or not. [48:09.860 --> 48:13.340] Hang out for us and talk about any games or whatever else is on your mind. [48:13.340 --> 48:15.260] Finally, to it in the show notes are on our site. [48:15.260 --> 48:18.260] And if you've been enjoying the podcast and want to help us keep going, consider subscribing [48:18.260 --> 48:19.260] to our Patreon. [48:19.260 --> 48:21.300] Wouldn't be able to keep the show running without their support. [48:21.300 --> 48:22.860] Get a ton of awesome perks Jordan. [48:22.860 --> 48:26.060] What is the exclusive piece of content we are going to be dropping in February? [48:26.060 --> 48:30.860] Well, David, we're going to be reading each and Jose family sins. [48:30.860 --> 48:32.180] Oh, yeah. [48:32.180 --> 48:37.620] And we are joined by the wonderful rem from anime context or in the out of context, anime [48:37.620 --> 48:40.460] context, my favorite podcast. [48:40.460 --> 48:47.220] You could even be sitting in listening to our recordings, find it at patreon.com slash shown [48:47.220 --> 48:48.220] in flop. [48:48.220 --> 48:51.100] And I want to read off some of our wonderful patrons starting with her dolphin dads. [48:51.100 --> 48:53.460] We have Gornac Rachel, my wonderful fiance. [48:53.460 --> 48:57.860] She just sent me a piece of cake and we need no she's not your fiance, David. [48:57.860 --> 49:02.100] If I wonderful ex fiance, she sent me a piece of cake to this eat to celebrate my first [49:02.180 --> 49:04.620] day of work and Sean makes me so thirsty. [49:04.620 --> 49:06.940] I need to put him in my mouth and swallow to rehydrate. [49:06.940 --> 49:07.940] Oh, Jesus. [49:07.940 --> 49:09.580] Yeah, we're still doing that. [49:09.580 --> 49:13.820] Moving on down to the ravioli tier where you get weekly pictures of my little goblin dog. [49:13.820 --> 49:15.060] She ate her pizza toy. [49:15.060 --> 49:16.060] She was very upset. [49:16.060 --> 49:18.260] So we got her a bunch of new toys to make up for it. [49:18.260 --> 49:21.980] We have Chris Eva karate chopsticks lady T our newest patron. [49:21.980 --> 49:22.980] Thank you so much. [49:22.980 --> 49:25.860] Matt tea and Trevor Schechner and moving on down to the king of the forest. [49:25.860 --> 49:28.260] We have 090 Z bandit Stufe. [49:28.260 --> 49:32.060] That's my girlfriend Chad Mason, Jacob Andrew Galway, Kirby [49:32.060 --> 49:36.780] month, Marty Max Baker, Sarah Hydra, Sean, you me when are we going to make this happen? [49:36.780 --> 49:39.380] Wink wink tea, Wolfwood and Tommy boy. [49:39.380 --> 49:42.580] Thank you all along with our Galactic Paul Federation officers and our B children. [49:42.580 --> 49:44.940] Oh boy, that's that's all it for me. [49:44.940 --> 49:46.060] Jordan, anything you want to toss in? [49:46.060 --> 49:47.780] Yeah, check out Michigan edition. [49:47.780 --> 49:49.100] We're actually going to record. [49:49.100 --> 49:53.860] We're actually playing at least planning to record the next episode this Saturday. [49:53.860 --> 49:55.340] Oh, I love it. [49:55.340 --> 49:58.340] Benny, have you ever heard of vampires that is V.A.N. [49:58.340 --> 49:59.180] dash P.I. [49:59.180 --> 50:00.180] serious? [50:00.180 --> 50:01.180] No. [50:01.180 --> 50:02.180] Yeah, I'm not shocked. [50:02.180 --> 50:03.340] Not, not surprised to hear you say that. [50:03.340 --> 50:08.580] It is a show that I feel like only I watched in the 90s and Gary owns in it. [50:08.580 --> 50:10.180] Well, now we're going to look this up. [50:10.180 --> 50:11.180] I got to look this up. [50:11.180 --> 50:12.820] All right, let's get into sign offs. [50:12.820 --> 50:13.820] Thanks so much for joining us. [50:13.820 --> 50:22.460] Tune in next Monday as we give our full thoughts on full drive this has been David, this has [50:22.460 --> 50:25.860] been betting and even listening to show and flop. [50:25.860 --> 50:26.860] Yeah. [50:26.860 --> 50:27.860] All right. [50:27.860 --> 50:28.220] Bye. Transcription results written to '/home/forge/transcribe.sonicengage.com/releases/20240205231042' directory
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